I want to upgrade to this... does it exist?

[c-m]

Thinking about my next upgrade. You last you guys recommended the ZX9R as an upgrade on my ZXR750.

Is there a bike currently that is lighter than a ZX9R C2 model. With similar engine performance, better suspension and longer tank range/better MPG?

Oh and one that doesn't need the valves done every 6000-8000miles

If so i haven't found one yet

[dodsi]

Yeah, a CG125... lighter, better MPG just you will have to be prepared to trade a little performance for it.

ZX9R's are fairly decent bikes and you can get 130 miles from a tank fairly easily. just depends how much you want to spank it.

[chris-red]

Modern GSXR 750?
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Fuel economy is going to be the big issue - modern sports bike aren't made to go slowly and you wont really find less weight and the same/more power from anything else.

Of course, if you want good fuel economy, the rider is often the biggest difference - unfortunately I enjoy the things that give bad fuel economy .

I have thought it'd be nice to upload a map to a bike like the GSXR (with multiple map switch) intended to give you much better fuel economy at the expense of fun. Perhaps with an 'over ride' for overtakes and the like.

[dodsi]

[G]

I reckon quite a lot could be done with mapping, even for partial throttle settings.
Also be interesting to see what could be done with a system cutting out a couple of cylinders could do - think maybe some cars might be able to do this now? (May have just been a concept.)

[SamJL]

The RSV4 does around 8mpg more when its on not on Race mode, so it is possible to dual map a bike for fuel economy and power.

You can dual map with a Bazzaz, it just needs an extra add on.

And some car's can do that G, they go from 8 cylinders to 6 cylinders usually!
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[SamJL]

I don't know of any bike that does it.

The 5.7 Hemi in a Chrysler 300 can drop from 8 cylinders to 4 cylinders to save fuel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Displacement_System
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[c-m]

It's not about it cheap to run on a day to day basis.

Its more about range.

I travel a lot and visit friends in europe and make a trip out of it on the bike. On motorways at 80 i can get near or over 200miles a tank.

Everything else i have seen has a smaller tank than the ZX9R.

What you guys are telling me is that the technology hasn't progressed any further than 11 years ago?

Surely they can make a lighter bike, with similar power and range, but with more modern styling and handling.

[chris-red]

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[dodsi]

As a matter of fact sports bikes have become more focussed and uncomfortable. Yes the handling will be better. The power is a little bit acedemic - how much quicker than a 11 year old ZX9R do you need to go? Sure a Modern litre bike is more powerful but the ZX9R is not exactly lacking.

[G]

If you compare it to the zx9r, certainly - but go back a bit further to the zxr/zx7r and I'm not sure the position these days is more focused/less comfortable - just differently focused and possibly comfortable for different people .

I have a big sports bike to go quickly easily in a relaxed manner - thus getting something faster than my tuned zx9.

[Wave2k]

[Spit-Fire]

[c-m]

I guess the ZX9R is where it's at then. Maybe i'll search for an F model.

I don't actually find the ZX9R that comfortable, I much preferred the position of the ZXR750 even on 500mile runs.

The thing that annoys me is that Kawasaki service intervals are much shorter than anything else. The zxr750 was every 6000 for valves, the ZX9r every 8000, the fireblade is twice that for similar performance.

The 2002 Fireblade is close but let down slightly on range and consumption

[G]

I have been thinking about something along those mpg lines or a bit less - but maybe with 20 times the load capacity ... just need the licence!

Just had a look, didn't realise RX8s had got down to that level, but will stick to my beemer - though could consider something like the RX8 at some point as if you look at the amount I use it versus insurance paid, the RX8 may actually be more economic!

[SamJL]

Better off with a 350Z G, quicker, better handling, better on fuel

My Fireblade is very comfy, very quick, light, and does around 140 miles to tank, if you don't cane it everywhere (hence why I rarely do 140 miles to a tank!)

How much are you looking at spending out of intrest? I thought injection bikes were much more fuel efficient then carb'd bikes?
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[Spit-Fire]

[G]

And then I'd just be tempted by an E46 M3.
Suspect I'll keep my E36 for a while to be honest.

[SamJL]

E46 M3's are suprisingly cheap now! Can get them for sub £10k!
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[Welshd1k]

pulsar GTi-r?? hahaha

in all seriousness a mate took me out in one that had had some work done and omg fast haha. also a volvo r5 with some firm starting with R ecu been fitted to 280bhp that was fast, but nothing beats the scooby estate that is going around my way the gezzer reckons its 800+ bhp twin turbo but its the 2.5 motor? all i can say my mates busa cant touch it

but then againt here 'chavvy' cars not your civilised fast cars
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[stevo as b4]

It's good to know that other people's ideal bikes don't always seem to exist either! I thought i was just me sometimes.

I still haven't found a bike that has a 1100-1400cc IL3 or IL4 engine, that has a short wheelbase like a factory streetfighter with a very upright position, reasonable styling and that looks light and pared down to the bone like a Spondon or Harris framed bike for example. Something like this with 150bhp/90ibft+ and is under 195kg's dry would be my best friend!

Something like an FZ1 or fugly new Z1000 is definately not though!
The CB1300 or a ZZR1400 engine would be the ideal kind of unit, but the CB13 as a bike is just a bit too heavy and not quite focused enough with fully adjustable suspension and sportsbike biased handling and braking.

[SamJL]