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PostPosted: 10:04 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Gears: How do you do it? Reply with quote

I'm interested in knowing what people think and prefer.

When I was learning to ride, I was advised to go from 1st gear to 5th/6th as soon as possible and ride there.

I've since been reading SuperBike Magazine and their riding coaches recommend riding in a gear where you can feel the engine, with higher revs, giving more control and more response.

How do you do it?
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride a gsxr750 and for trips around town its rarely out of 3rd gear but on the open road or motorways then its top gear.

Each bike is different and from the experience I have on my bike it loves high revs. Its just as happy screaming along in 2nd gear at 10K revs doing 70 as it is in 6th gear doing the same at 4K revs.

Personally though I like to keep the revs low around town as its a noisy bugger in closed in areas and when I'm on a jaunt in the country I'm not afraid to let the engine scream.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm commuting or just taking it easy, I ride in a higher gear and just roll along...

But if I'm having a "spirited" ride, keep it in a lower gear, with higher revs for better throttle response
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I ride a gsxr750 and for trips around town its rarely out of 3rd gear but on the open road or motorways then its top gear.

I've been riding like this recently in a change to my normal, "pull away and rush to the top" way I was taught. I love it.

I'm still changing up to 6th on long Motorway runs for fuel economy and a smooth/low rev ride but around the streets (at the minute) I'm keeping it no higher that 4th gear and it's a better ride (and Dazbo666, better throttle response!) and sounds good too!! Smile
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Gears: How do you do it? Reply with quote

It depends whether you want acceleration or fuel economy.
For acceleration you need to be in the lowest gear possible with a bit left over, for fuel economy, the highest is generally the best.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only ever use sixth on the motorway and generally don't get above forth riding normally.

Occasionally slip it into fifth if I'm just having a relaxing ride rather than gunning it.

As far as around town goes I'm the opposite, I prefer to keep it in a lower gear to enable me to easily shoot into gaps and ensure the bike is loud enough for people to hear (loud pipes save lives lol).
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:00 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as others have said for me -

if I'm giving it beans I stay lower for better response and traction.

pottering I go high (but not too high that I loose the exhaust note.. Cool ).

If you have a pillion short shifting is more comfy for them as it makes it alot smoother.

Must admit to doing a lot of block gear changes both up and down.

Bike engines don't like staying in low revs generally.. it's not that good for them.

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PostPosted: 13:36 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bike engines don't like staying in low revs generally.. it's not that good for them.

Mmmm... I never knew this! I thought it was the opposite so I generally kept my revs lower and the gears higher. So high(er) revving is better all round for the exhaust note and the engine! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Gears: How do you do it? Reply with quote

jonny2010 wrote:
I'm interested in knowing what people think and prefer.

When I was learning to ride, I was advised to go from 1st gear to 5th/6th as soon as possible and ride there.

I've since been reading SuperBike Magazine and their riding coaches recommend riding in a gear where you can feel the engine, with higher revs, giving more control and more response.

How do you do it?


I dont know when you learned to ride, or who tought you, but instruction in CBT has always been that you should alays be in as 'responsive' a gear as possible. Its the deafult fail-safe.

That doesn't necesserily mean a lower gear, too low a gear is just as unresponsive as a higher one, if you cant get it to change speed 'cos you are too close to the red-line.

And I guess thats pretty much how I ride. on the 750, spends most of its time in 3rd, being treated like an auto!

But I come from Trials riding where on the old bikes I've always ridden they';ve had almost 'pre-select' gear-boxes, and 'response' is paramount!
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Gears: How do you do it? Reply with quote

I was taught to short-shift in both my CBTs.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was taught to short shift too. Think they call it economic driving/riding nowadays.

I tend to be around the mid revs (8k) most of the time around town. This gives me enough up top to shoot off if needed, but also isn't ringing the bikes neck all the time. It means I rarely need to get into third, and it keeps the bike noisy enough to be heard and then seen.

If I'm on the motorway then I just put it in 6th gear and switch down to filter.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny2010 wrote:
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Bike engines don't like staying in low revs generally.. it's not that good for them.

Mmmm... I never knew this! I thought it was the opposite so I generally kept my revs lower and the gears higher. So high(er) revving is better all round for the exhaust note and the engine! Very Happy


I've been told that most bikes are set up to run most econimically around 4K revs (something to do with emissions testing?)
- hence why a lot of bikes do 70mph at 4K revs in top gear.

> than 4K revs and most bikes start to take off... Wink
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roos wrote:


I've been told that most bikes are set up to run most econimically around 4K revs (something to do with emissions testing?)
- hence why a lot of bikes do 70mph at 4K revs in top gear.

> than 4K revs and most bikes start to take off... Wink


My Hornet does 5-6k, sadly where its buzziest.

"Sorry officer, the vibrations were getting on my tits so I had to do 110!"

Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Roos wrote:


I've been told that most bikes are set up to run most econimically around 4K revs (something to do with emissions testing?)
- hence why a lot of bikes do 70mph at 4K revs in top gear.

> than 4K revs and most bikes start to take off... Wink


My Hornet does 5-6k, sadly where its buzziest.

"Sorry officer, the vibrations were getting on my tits so I had to do 110!"

Laughing


Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Roos wrote:


I've been told that most bikes are set up to run most econimically around 4K revs (something to do with emissions testing?)
- hence why a lot of bikes do 70mph at 4K revs in top gear.

> than 4K revs and most bikes start to take off... Wink


My Hornet does 5-6k, sadly where its buzziest.

"Sorry officer, the vibrations were getting on my tits so I had to do 110!"

Laughing


Same goes for my diversion. 6k for 70mph
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloke wrote:


Same goes for my diversion. 6k for 70mph


I used to have a Divvy 6 a long time ago - - - maybe I forget - - I've gotten used to riding bikes > 1000cc


I did say "apparently"


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PostPosted: 20:40 - 16 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I was taught to short-shift in both my CBTs.

Rowey wrote:
I was taught to short shift too. Think they call it economic driving/riding nowadays.


I find that curiouse; I know that in CARS they teach you to get up the box early, but on bikes, with revier engines, and typically teaching students on little bikes, that haven't got the grunt to haul-tall, I really find that surprising.

Was wondering if it may be an instructor thing, as much CBT instruction is done by Down-Trained instructors rather than Cardington Qualified ones trained to train, but then would have expected them to default to responsive gears..... mind you they keep changing teh advice in teh book & I have to confess I haven't instruycted in over 3 years, but there you go.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 17 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
I find that curious; I know that in CARS they teach you to get up the box early, but on bikes, with revier engines, and typically teaching students on little bikes, that haven't got the grunt to haul-tall, I really find that surprising.

Was wondering if it may be an instructor thing.


My CBT was a long time ago now. But I assumed it was to do with saving fuel, prolonging bike life and just getting used to gears. Although I totally agree, and practice, that the bike should be kept in the most responsive gear.

A year or so ago when I passed my car test it was a box on the marking sheet, something along the lines of economic driving. It was explained to me as not over revving the engine, progressive breaking, reading the road ahead and forward planning. All of those should mean a smoother/safer drive as well as better fuel consumption.
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