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PostPosted: 11:11 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Chinese Rigs as good as their Bikes!?! Reply with quote

Christ add a bit of choppy salt water and they fall to bits.

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Two oil workers are missing and more than 30 have been rescued from a rig off China's north-east coast, which was damaged in a storm, state media says.

Helicopters and rescue boats are searching for two people who fell from the platform, which is listing at a 45-degree angle in the Shengli oil field.

The oil field, operated by Sinopec, is the second-largest in China.

Sinopec said no oil has been spilled, and said powerful waves generated by Typhoon Malou were the likely cause.

Rescue workers in helicopters saved 34 people from the rig about five nautical miles (9km) off Dongying in Shandong province, China's transport ministry said.

The rescue took place at 0600 local time (2200 GMT Tuesday) after the incident was reported late on Tuesday,

The accident comes just weeks after China's worst oil spill, after a fire at an oil depot caused crude oil to leak into the sea for several days.



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PostPosted: 11:52 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those 3 leg jack-ups are a pretty shit design for bad weather..

I wouldn't rate the Chinese any less than Texans ... have you worked with those nutters Confused

I'm surprised half the gulf of Mexico is not up in flames... almost feel sorry for BP because more than likely their 'contracted' rig was staffed up by a bunch of red-neck locals and then you get that twat Obama talking complete shit about probably one of the top 5, safest companies in the business Neutral
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deckx wrote:
Those 3 leg jack-ups are a pretty shit design for bad weather..

I wouldn't rate the Chinese any less than Texans ... have you worked with those nutters Confused

I'm surprised half the gulf of Mexico is not up in flames... almost feel sorry for BP because more than likely their 'contracted' rig was staffed up by a bunch of red-neck locals and then you get that twat Obama talking complete shit about probably one of the top 5, safest companies in the business Neutral


Aye I've worked with a few Texan, Mississippi, Alabama and Carolina boys. Jeezus, Mary and Joseph they are some of the most unsafe idiots in the industry.
We had a Texan OIM who was a complete twat. He used to sit on his fat chewin bacca arse and use the safety announcment PA to shout at roustabouts on the cantilver or at the driller in the doghouse. It'd be about 10am, I'd be sleeping having just finnished nights and usually get woken up with "Why aint big Yella movin'!! God dammit boy!" blaring over the tannoy if the pipe tripping times fell below 1min a stand! Laughing .
Thankfully most of the 'merkans have been weeded out of te company. It's mostly just Ozzy's, Jocks a couple of Croatians, Portugese and an Englishman (equal oppertunities and aw that Wink ) on our Jack-up.

Yeah Obama was stupid to try and heap all the blame on to BP ("British Pertrolium" twat Rolling Eyes ) they only have a few guys on the rig and all they do is supply the drilling programme. It was the BOP and a shitty cement job that was at fault so the blame should fall on Cameron, Haliburton and Transocean. Plus the Snr Inst tech has said that most of thte H2S and CH4 sensors where inhibited therefore stopping any advance warning of escaping gas going off. I think that cost a few lives. But the BOP should have been working and the Driller/Toolphers should have been able to control the well, if not then last resort punch the shear rams, which evidently failed.

The small "pile" type jack-ups are only really for very shallow water and wouldnt hold up to much wind and swell. I looks like the bow leg failed and it just crumbled down.
Ours is a 3-leg design with lattice type with 506' legs. Still didnt stop it punching through 16 meters in the Bass straight mind you! thank fuck I hadnt been transfered here yet Laughing

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PostPosted: 16:13 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WishayKillie wrote:
Deckx wrote:
Those 3 leg jack-ups are a pretty shit design for bad weather..

I wouldn't rate the Chinese any less than Texans ... have you worked with those nutters Confused

I'm surprised half the gulf of Mexico is not up in flames... almost feel sorry for BP because more than likely their 'contracted' rig was staffed up by a bunch of red-neck locals and then you get that twat Obama talking complete shit about probably one of the top 5, safest companies in the business Neutral


Aye I've worked with a few Texan, Mississippi, Alabama and Carolina boys. Jeezus, Mary and Joseph they are some of the most unsafe idiots in the industry.
We had a Texan OIM who was a complete twat. He used to sit on his fat chewin bacca arse and use the safety announcment PA to shout at roustabouts on the cantilver or at the driller in the doghouse. It'd be about 10am, I'd be sleeping having just finnished nights and usually get woken up with "Why aint big Yella movin'!! God dammit boy!" blaring over the tannoy if the pipe tripping times fell below 1min a stand! Laughing .
Thankfully most of the 'merkans have been weeded out of te company. It's mostly just Ozzy's, Jocks a couple of Croatians, Portugese and an Englishman (equal oppertunities and aw that Wink ) on our Jack-up.

Yeah Obama was stupid to try and heap all the blame on to BP ("British Pertrolium" twat Rolling Eyes ) they only have a few guys on the rig and all they do is supply the drilling programme. It was the BOP and a shitty cement job that was at fault so the blame should fall on Cameron, Haliburton and Transocean. Plus the Snr Inst tech has said that most of thte H2S and CH4 sensors where inhibited therefore stopping any advance warning of escaping gas going off. I think that cost a few lives. But the BOP should have been working and the Driller/Toolphers should have been able to control the well, if not then last resort punch the shear rams, which evidently failed.

The small "pile" type jack-ups are only really for very shallow water and wouldnt hold up to much wind and swell. I looks like the bow leg failed and it just crumbled down.
Ours is a 3-leg design with lattice type with 506' legs. Still didnt stop it punching through 16 meters in the Bass straight mind you! thank fuck I hadnt been transfered here yet Laughing

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PostPosted: 08:46 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

warped one wrote:
The thing you have to think about with all the states like China is.

How many things like this go unmentioned by the media and thus unheard of because their government are to inept on trying to be a super power that they fail at everything?

Please excuse my very poor analogy but it is something that was mentioned earlier.

China and all other states are in reality just like those 15y.o girls you see strutting around in next to nothing and trying to attract attention. In their minds it is good attention because they can show off to their friends about how they now travel in a nova instead of the bus.

Moral of my shit story is, yes you may seem big to people your size but to everyone else you are still small, pathetic, and hopefully grow out of this phase before someone gets hurt.


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PostPosted: 09:16 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WishayKillie wrote:
he Snr. Inst tech has said that most of the H2S and CH4 sensors where inhibited


Fuck that, we have to test about ten times for H2S before entering an empty ballast tank Laughing if someone found out the sensors were broken the chief would probably land up in prison Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

warped one wrote:

China and all other states are in reality just like those 15y.o girls you see strutting around in next to nothing and trying to attract attention. In their minds it is good attention because they can show off to their friends about how they now travel in a nova instead of the bus.


Seriously... Da fuck?

Stick to threads on your topics of expertise, such as having sex with ex-men... and erm... yeh, having sex with ex-men.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I can't stand is this snobbishness towards chinese oil rigs. It's like everyone's been brainwashed into thinking that US or British oil rigs are sooo much better, when in actual fact, well, yes they are. But still, eh.

Take it from me, I've bought oil plenty of times, yes, I've been to many a Halfords, and the oil, whether it's from a chinese oil rig or a american one is as good, if not better, but it might be worse if it isn't better, so long as you don't buy oil with spokes. Oil with spokes is probably trash.

There isn't a British or American oil rig that doesn't have some chinese men on, and only a handful of those aren't originally 'made in china'. Moreover, there aren't even any US oil rigs with chinese men, it's just americans with sellotape on their faces to look like chinese workers, calling themselves Xing, and Xong, and other chinesey sounding names.

I hear people complaining that chinese oil rigs rust much quicker than american ones, but have you ever left an oil rig in your garden over the winter? That's right, it's just as rusty, if not a lot more rusty, as an american oil rig made entirely of plastic, ever notice that? Nor me.

That's not to say that chinese oil rigs are better, even though they are, but there are some things you need to watch out for;

1) Legs. Stay away from any chinese oil rigs that use legs to raise them above the water line. Can't explain why as I have no idea and just made it up anyway.

2) Oil flange mud pump drill bit twisty things. If a chinese oil rig has these make sure they're made of diamond coated titatnium carbon fibre platinum, or stay the hell away.

3) If the oil rig comes in a box, ask yourself this; how the fuck am I going to build an enormous oil rig in the back garden? Am I even qualified to build an oil rig? Why don't I have a 300mm spanner?

4) If the rig is already built ask the question: how am I going to get a bloody massive oil rig down my narrow street? Whose idea was this? What were they thinking. ffs?

5) Yes, the rigs are the same. Exactly the same. Built by different people to different quality controls with different materials in a different country with different safety restrictions, but otherwise EXACTLY the same.

6) Quality engineering is what makes British and American rigs last so much longer, not rocket science. If your chinese oil rig falls to bits very quickly, that means you have been using it.

So, while chinese rigs are as equally good in quality as western rigs, except when they're not, and they never are, let's just stop this brainwashing and realise that western rigs are no better than chinese rigs. Apart from when they are. Which is all the time.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Mr Hammers

Thank you for making me laugh before going to work. Today will be a good day now. Plus Linkin Park - Numb was the radio, which it never is!

You have helped make today a good day.

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:

Seriously... Da fuck?

Stick to threads on your topics of expertise, such as having sex with x-men... and erm... yeh, having sex with x-men.


FUCK YEAH
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Original Muzza wrote:
Bonny wrote:

Seriously... Da fuck?

Stick to threads on your topics of expertise, such as having sex with x-men... and erm... yeh, having sex with x-men.


FUCK YEAH


I nearly put in a caveat, but I couldn't remember any hot ones, and I doubted I could make it pithy enough.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
why is there spaghetti coming out the middle?


They drilled all the way through and hit Italy Smile

It's "stands" of drill pipe. Each one made up of three 30ft "singles" to form a 90ft "stand", these all get fed down one by one until they reach their depth anything up to 30,000 - 35,000ft on a jack-up.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
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It's "stands" of drill pipe. Each one made up of three 30ft "singles" to form a 90ft "stand", these all get fed down one by one until they reach their depth anything up to 30,000 - 35,000ft on a jack-up.


they dont look like they have a very big diameter?

what stops them going like > U and coming back up behind you?


I've seen a pic of a land rig in Russia that drilled back up to the surface about 1km from the rig Laughing

You need to have that flexibility to enable you to "steer" the string to the target. You control all that with fancy downhole tools and with the amount of weight you apply to the drill string.

Drill pipe ranges from 2,7/8" up to about 6,5/8". But you get bigger drill bits and then you can run up to 30" casing too.
The easiest way to thing about it is like making up a big telescope in the ground. You run your big casing, cement it in, then drill the next section, run in smaller casing, cement that in, drill a smaller hole again, run in casing, cament etc, etc.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
they dont look like they have a very big diameter?

what stops them going like > U and coming back up behind you?


It's the Weight of the 'string' hanging from the crown. The big wheel thingies at the very top of the mast/derrick.
If you hang a button on the end of a piece of thread it hangs down due to gravity. All drilling strings head towards middle earth.
As the bit cuts the hole and the cutting are sent to surface the length of the bit of string is increased.
A drill rig is like a crane holding a load. The load being the string and the bit at the end.

No weight as such is applied. The weight is in the BHA Bottom hole apparatus. Too much weight on the bit will wreck it (and can stall the mud motor.)

'One way' you 'steer' the drillbit is by stopping rotation and driving the bit using a motor. This is a big spiral shaft inside a rubber element inside a big steel pipe.
When mud (drilling fluid() is pumped down at a certain pressure and Barrels-Per-Minute the spiral shaft rotates.
The bit is on the end of the shaft and turns.

To steer the bit you put a piece in the BHA called an MWD (Measurement Whilst Drilling) on after the motor.
The MWD is set to an angle or it has a set bend put in it at the surface before being lowered into the hole.
A device is used to track the direction of the 'bend' (Like a compass)
If the string is not rotated then the set angle will make the bit drive off-straight.
This is continued until they deem the bit is moving in the direction needed. The MWD can then be pulled out and the string will then follow the deviation/kick-off
Directional drilling is used when the oil company want to put several areas of an oil reservoir into one well. The individual areas can then be tapped as required using surface epuipment.

It is a bit like ship in a bottle where the ship is in the guy shed ten houses down the street from you. Or more.

Oil engineers like to make things difficult.

One thing about Transocean is that they pride themselves on doing the impossible.

Drilling it has it's ups and down in a round-a-bout way. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
a lot of sense


Aye that Thumbs Up

I'm just a spark, I make sure the big yellow thing that spins the pipe, spins.
The big red thing that that pulls the yellow thing up and down, spins.
The three big blue things that pump the smelly liquid, spin.
The five big yellow noisy things next to my workshop that make the lights go on, spin.
And get moaned at by the MWD and loggers because they dont have high speed broadband in their containers... pricks.


For all the crudeness that seems to go on in drilling there is a surprising amout of engineering and intircacy involved.

The last big job this rig (West Triton) was on before I transfered here was the relief well at Montara after it blew out under the West Atlas. They had to drill into the 9,5/8" casing with a 6" drill bit from over a mile away. I cant even drill through a wall straight Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 24 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hammers wrote:
the best post for some time


You forgot to mention that your 'not really into oil rigs'
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a pic of the last rig i worked on..... Sank as they were towing it from the Fabrication yard over in Texas.... Had to do a complete re-build so a 6 month commissioning contract for me turned into a 3 year job... must have been the fucked up project i will ever be on but as the saying goes "Chaos equals cash" Laughing

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PostPosted: 10:04 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

warped one wrote:
A load of crap.


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