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Chalky.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Shares Reply with quote
Anyone deal a any shares on here?
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes.

Own shares in a bank.

Also used to spread bet on shares too.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I've had a shit day on them today, £150 down and might still be going...
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well I've had a shit day on them today, £150 down and might still be going...


In the current climate, you are not going to make a mint overnight. Any share you buy now you need to looking at holding on to them long term, 3 years +.

I sold my remaining shares in Bank of Ireland a few months ago as I could see they were not going to make any more money.
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Chalky.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Barry_M2 wrote:
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Well I've had a shit day on them today, £150 down and might still be going...


In the current climate, you are not going to make a mint overnight. Any share you buy now you need to looking at holding on to them long term, 3 years +.

I sold my remaining shares in Bank of Ireland a few months ago as I could see they were not going to make any more money.


Chuck enough in the right places and you can do alright.

I prefer high risk short term buying personally.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chalky. wrote:
I prefer high risk short term buying personally.


So do I, which is why I'm not dealing at the moment. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Forex ftw.

That is high risk short term any time.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chalky. wrote:
Well I've had a shit day on them today, £150 down and might still be going...


Turns out over the last few years one of my relatives has lost around 10k or so due to this economical shit storm.

Shocked

But it will pull through eventually.
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shares are pretty pointless unless you have lots of money (and usually time) to invest, hence why spread betting can be a better short term option, but that is a case of seriously knowing what the market is doing, and for most people, having a stop loss on the account is a must. Unless you work in the industry or know a shit load about it, i wouldnt spread bet.

Stick to football
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Investment trusts are worth a punt if you're not into risk. They can be bought/sold through normal share dealing accounts, provide a decent spread of exposure, have no managment costs and pay dividends.

Granted, your return over 5 years isn't going to be telephone number territory, but you'll make more than putting it in an ISA or other savings vehicle. The trick (with normal share dealing, in my mind) is to take the long view and to try not to give yourself palpitations by looking at the price every day!

Yes, you can win big with spread betting, but you risk your capital and a whole lot more if it goes wrong. Do your research and know when to walk away, and don't discount having some dull stuff in your portfolio.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chalky
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Well I've had a shit day on them today, £150 down and might still be going...

What shares do you have? What's your strategy and what analysis are you doing?

Barry_M2
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shares in Bank of Ireland
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In the current climate, you are not going to make a mint overnight. Any share you buy now you need to looking at holding on to them long term, 3 years +.
I disagree; there are always opportunities if you're prepared to put in the legwork, research and keep your ear to the ground.

If you and Chalky are interested in the riskier end of the spectrum you could do worse than look at Falkland Islands oil exploration cos. The sector has really come alive over the past week following a successful well test of Rockhopper's SeaLion well. There are five names to look at, all AIM quoted. I'll give you a v brief round-up on each;
- Rockhopper exploration (EPIC code RKH) 508p
The least risky option having returned a positive test on Sealion. Strong upside potential on amount of recoverable oil

- Desire Petroleum (DES) 168p
Next in line for the Ocean Guardian rig with testing on Rachel prospect due by end October. No proven reserves and much higher risk than RKH but potential rewards are much higher.

- Argos Resources (ARG) 47p
Operates in the same postcode as RKH and DES so de-risking of those names should have a positive effect on ARG. Otherwise it's more of a 12/ 18 month timeframe with this one. 3d seismic testing due to begin shortly with first drill unlikely before Q4 2011.

- Borders and Southern (BOR) 93p
-Falkland Oil and Gas (FOGL) 142p
These two names both operate in the southern basins; nothing has been proven there yet; in fact the only test undertaken by FOGL proved to be a dry well. That said, the licence acreage in the southern basin is much larger so again it's high risk/ high potential reward.

I should mention I've a fair amount of skin in the game here, split between RKH, DES and ARG at the moment. I wouldn't recommend putting all you have in these names but there's always room for a bit of sex and violence I reckon. The following chart for RKH shows the price movement over the term and there are plenty of websites around where you can research info. www.iii.co.uk has a good investor forum.

https://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:RKH

I wouldn't recommend spread-betting or CFDs to the uninitiated; fact is > 90% of people lose money using them. I've seen mates and colleagues make and lose 6 figure sums in just a few hours; granted, that was at the height of market volatility at the end of 2008 when the whole world was caving in but it gives you an idea around what the leverage can do.

As always, usual caveats apply; DYOR, don't come crying to me etc etc
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've always wondered about shares, at the moment I have some in Tescos that I got for free due to working there, but can't sell them for 5 years. Also doing a save as you earn thing, but at the end I get all my money back plus whatever interest so can't lose money.
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Chalky.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
DAF wrote:
Chalky
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Well I've had a shit day on them today, £150 down and might still be going...

What shares do you have? What's your strategy and what analysis are you doing?



See whats cracking on, who's going to publish infomation, stick a few k on them and hope it goes up!

Had some on Mitchells and Butlers that have just come well, and got some in Northacre at the moment.

Tempted to stick some on Pinnacle Staffing Group or Dillistone Group overnight and hope they come well tomorrow. Thoughts?
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DAF
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Tempted to stick some on Pinnacle Staffing Group or Dillistone Group overnight and hope they come well tomorrow. Thoughts?


I don't really know anything about the above names but after a quick bit of digging;
- Pinnacle; loss making medical recruitment company with market cap of £1.39m. Interim statement doesn't give the impression of a dynamic company with a rosy future; they waited most of the year for someone to come along and take them over. No offers were forthcoming so they sold the agency business and it looks like they're still dealing with the restructure. It's not one I'd put my hard-earned in but if you're close to the company and think there's a turnaround on the cards.......
- Dillstone Group; supplier of recruitment software - a very niche area and I don't know enough about the sector to have a real opinion. I'm not really turned on by these sorts of companies; IT/ software spend is amongst the first area to be cut when times are tight. That said, half year figures showed an 8% growth in turnover (although mostly from non-recurring revenues), which I guess is admirable given the economic environment. P/E ratio of 7.8 appears cheap on a historical comparison but that doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. I wouldn't know who else to look at for a peer comaprison but again, if you're close to the company and have confidence in its prospects then could be one to go for. FWIW, I'd choose this one over PCL any day of the week. Looks like the price ticked up on friday so if you jumped in hopefully you made a few quid Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 25 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've been spread betting for just over a year, but don't have the time and effort to make it worthwhile. As previously stated the markets are so volatile, you can very quickly lose a lot of money if you don't really know what your doing or apply any kind of stop loss.

I am registered with IG Index which send you a whole load of helpful information, they also provide seminars with their top analysts every now and then.

I use III for shares. Currently have a few investments, the best being BP which I bought in at just over 305p per share (£10 trader fees).

If you are looking for reliable mid term investments, check out the week as they consistently provide good quality information on firms to keep an eye out on.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 26 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
DAF wrote:


If you and Chalky are interested in the riskier end of the spectrum you could do worse than look at Falkland Islands oil exploration cos. The sector has really come alive over the past week following a successful well test of Rockhopper's SeaLion well. There are five names to look at, all AIM quoted. I'll give you a v brief round-up on each;
- Rockhopper exploration (EPIC code RKH) 508p
The least risky option having returned a positive test on Sealion. Strong upside potential on amount of recoverable oil

- Desire Petroleum (DES) 168p
Next in line for the Ocean Guardian rig with testing on Rachel prospect due by end October. No proven reserves and much higher risk than RKH but potential rewards are much higher.

- Argos Resources (ARG) 47p
Operates in the same postcode as RKH and DES so de-risking of those names should have a positive effect on ARG. Otherwise it's more of a 12/ 18 month timeframe with this one. 3d seismic testing due to begin shortly with first drill unlikely before Q4 2011.

- Borders and Southern (BOR) 93p
-Falkland Oil and Gas (FOGL) 142p
These two names both operate in the southern basins; nothing has been proven there yet; in fact the only test undertaken by FOGL proved to be a dry well. That said, the licence acreage in the southern basin is much larger so again it's high risk/ high potential reward.

I should mention I've a fair amount of skin in the game here, split between RKH, DES and ARG at the moment. I wouldn't recommend putting all you have in these names but there's always room for a bit of sex and violence I reckon. The following chart for RKH shows the price movement over the term and there are plenty of websites around where you can research info. www.iii.co.uk has a good investor forum.

https://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:RKH



As always, usual caveats apply; DYOR, don't come crying to me etc etc



Funny you should mention them... I have been following RKH & DES since about March.. treated them as a punt more so than an investment..anyway both dropped about 50% in April/May after DES drilled a the first non commercial well .. i bailed from RKH with a 50% loss and let DES in at about a 100p ... can't remember the exact dates but RKH struck oil in sometime in may .. i got a news alert via google finance and bought a load of them on margin... am up 500% atm so watching closely.. thinking about cashing in if they reach 600p.. reckon its too late to get in now thou..
DES is still fairly cheap, if they hit oil , you will definitely double your investment.. just bought ARG last monday so well up on them as well ..

GKP (Gulf Keystone Petroleum) are doing ok and have doubled my money with NPE (Nautical Petroleum) in a month.... will probably put a few quid in Encore oil tomorrow..

I have most of my cash tied up in $ on the US exchange in ADRs.. have some big gains canceled out with big losses so hovering from red to green daily.. real dodgy territory if the the double dip kicks in Neutral

Google fiance is good for charts but the discussion board are full of retards.....
on another note... last April I built an imaginary portfolio in US stocks where i bought every ticker symbol beginning with the a single letter of the Alphabet ie 'A' for Agilent Tech, 'B' for Barnes Group, 'C' for Citigroup and they have out-performed my actual real portfolio Embarassed
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