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The Artist
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: :(:(:( low oil fail Reply with quote

I thought my valve tappets needed adjusting because the engine on my gs125 started tapping like mad.

Did that and realised there was no oil in the window. Topped up but the noise is still there.

Have I buggered my top end? What could have happened?
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend did this with an RV125, the sight glass had an oil stain on it from the bike being sat for a few years, he assumed this was the oil level and never topped it up. The engine locked solid so badly that 3 of us couldn't get the cylinder off it to fix things.

Sounds like you've worn your top end parts down enough to create some gaps, free play and noise. If it were anything other than a 125 i'd recommend stripping inspecting and replacing things as needed, which might cost a fortune if spares couldn't be found on ebay. As it's a 125 though i'd recommend adjusting the tappets to make it quieter and see how it goes. If the bike is very down on power i'd recommend getting rid of it. If it's not down on power i'd still recommend getting rid of it once you've done your test Wink

Tappets are easily adjusted by removing the inspection cover on the engine, then with the aid for feeler gauges adjust them to what the manual says.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mossy you fail. Your meant to be an engineer in training lol, did you learn nothing in your first year and the bit we've done this year?
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This worries me.

My bike taps like f*ck.

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PostPosted: 18:09 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: :(:(:( low oil fail Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
I thought my valve tappets needed adjusting because the engine on my gs125 started tapping like mad.

Did that and realised there was no oil in the window. Topped up but the noise is still there.

Have I buggered my top end? What could have happened?


Short answer - yes you buggered it. The noise comes after the damage, and the damage can't be cured with oil, only prevented.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

May as well just ride around until the engine explodes, then replace it.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put the gsf400 engine in it.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

GS motors are extremely tough. If it's not actually gone bang and it's not down on power, it'll probably soldier on and be OK. Hopefully Neutral
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes you have buggered it

mate of mine did the same thing. very loud tapping noise at idle. bike has around 80000 miles on the clock. its been sitting in the garden for a few months and still starts on the button. its a honda, nuff said.

low oil may damage the cam chain, crank bearings, things like that
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it runs fine. It is down on power, not much. Will still do 50 but tapping gets very loud 7krpm+

I can get a chinese barrel and piston kit for £75 delivered or even a big bored 150cc kit for the same price.

Is it worth it?
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Well it runs fine. It is down on power, not much. Will still do 50 but tapping gets very loud 7krpm+

I can get a chinese barrel and piston kit for £75 delivered or even a big bored 150cc kit for the same price.

Is it worth it?

It would have done more damage than just the bore and piston though, bearings etc, so probably not.

I'd just use it and see how it holds up.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure where abouts you are, but there most of an engine on the e of the bay, just needs a top end

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suzuki-GS-125-Engine-Bottom-Half-and-Barrel-/130435687182?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item1e5e92a30e#ht_500wt_1154
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 02 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Well it runs fine. It is down on power, not much. Will still do 50 but tapping gets very loud 7krpm+

I can get a chinese barrel and piston kit for £75 delivered or even a big bored 150cc kit for the same price.

Is it worth it?


No because the damage in in the head, not the barrel.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 02 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so new valve gear and head.

I will have a look how much that costs. Crying or Very sad

Tapping does sound like it is coming from right at the top in the middle. I am not going to take the cam cover off because last time me and Chris did that, it was a PITA to get back together and I need this bike every day pretty much.

Ah well, live and learn.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 02 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you sold your Gs anyways??? Or is this another one Laughing

I had a similar thing on my Gs before i sold it, It would tap like there was something bouncing around the top end, but only at 4k revs, anything above of under it and it was fine Thinking

Just keep riding it and keep topping the oil up, untill inevitably it explodes Wink
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 02 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ride it until it breaks, and I bet you never get that far...

You could just check the clearances just in case.

I'd just stop worrying.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 02 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Op, the valves may be fine but check the camshaft lobs and the followers for wear, these are easily replaced, also check your valve guide oil seals and camshaft oil seal and replace if needed and check for any float on the camshaft/cylinder head faces.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 06 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: :(:(:( low oil fail Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:


Short answer - yes you buggered it. The noise comes after the damage, and the damage can't be cured with oil, only prevented.

Damage can be cured with oil, you just need to add a bit of sawdust in for good measure Wink Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 06 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone give him an engine Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bad times. I will make a thread with all the gory pictures later.

Anyone got a gs125 motor asap?
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a taster

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=75210
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Want to buy the old one back? Running like a dream now. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have found an engine for £130 1500 miles old which is very good me thinks.
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