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spetom
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: How do you protect/clean your bike against rust? Reply with quote

This is not a thread for those who do not give their bikes any love at all.

A question for all. How do you go about cleaning and protecting your bikes against rust and general weathering, especially in the coming winter months? The areas of protection loosely being.

1) Engine block
2) Exhaust
3) Chrome parts
4) Other metal parts (Wheel spokes)
5) Other metal painted/coated parts (e.g. Swing arm)
6) Plastic fairings

I usually just wash with fairy liquid, then water and then rub a load of ACF 50 everywhere, (pretty basic really).

Only trouble is when I put ACF 50 on the engine block and exhaust, when the engine starts up it smokes bad which I can't see being healthy for it at all.

How does everyone here do it?
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just bought acf 50 for the first time. It smoked away in the morning but I assume it still protects the bike since everyone else only uses it once.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairy liquid? Doesnt it contain salt? Ive always been under the impression regular washing of a car/bike with washing up liquid is a bad idea - seems most others I know think that too. Id reccomend changing to some proper car/bike shampoo as a first ..
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should've made a poll with an 'I don't' option.

I would have voted.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's something I'm now looking at (should have last year but oh well)

I'd like to know of an effective way of getting rust off down pipes am similar areas?

I'm going to be cleaning the bike a lot more often (maybe every time I use it, because I wont be using it that much this year/winter) or at minimum a hose down.

Was also looking at that "all year biker" company but they are not near me Sad

Going to get me some ACF as well.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ACF50 will smoke from the heat. This is is perfectly normal. It will, however, stop quite soon. the test to see if your ACF50 is doing what it should do, it to look at the water. if it beaded, then great! there is a shield between the water and your bike, and the water should just run off, but if it doesnt then you'll need to re-apply.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I'd add this too. It states that it will smoke, just re-apply as necessary https://www.acf-50.co.uk/motorcycle.htm
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride it at +130mph


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PostPosted: 22:02 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.allyearbiker.co.uk/Halo_Smart_Clean.html
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Scottoiler fs365
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobW1983 wrote:
You should've made a poll with an 'I don't' option.

I would have voted.


Well that's two of us. Pretty sure I have washed bikes from time to time...

I just can't remember when
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
RobW1983 wrote:
You should've made a poll with an 'I don't' option.

I would have voted.


Well that's two of us. Pretty sure I have washed bikes from time to time...

I just can't remember when


I paid the price last year for not cleaning my bike Laughing This year is going to be different!

For the downpipes research suggests polish and a kitchen scourer type thing.

I normally use snow foam and a pressure washer now but I think the way to do it would be:

Strip lower fairings off etc
WD40 to the muddy area's, nylon brush etc to remove crud
rinse (and in my case snow foam) the bike down
body work shampoo to the fairings and bike
polish the downpipes and any other metal area's (either use metal polish or normal polish, depending if its lacquered)
Use ACF-50
Put back together
lube chain

wax the body work if your a tart Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:42 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Ride it at +130mph


Pat


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PostPosted: 08:45 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I leave mine dirty Thumbs Up

I don't know if it works, as I can't see what it is like underneath. But I would like to think it is in pristine condition Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
I leave mine dirty Thumbs Up

I don't know if it works, as I can't see what it is like underneath. But I would like to think it is in pristine condition Very Happy


My bike is immaculate, but my car (which cost 2½ times as much) is so filthy you can only what colour it is on the roof. I think I missed the deadline for the annual clean this year.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
I leave mine dirty Thumbs Up

I don't know if it works, as I can't see what it is like underneath. But I would like to think it is in pristine condition Very Happy


I could imagine this does actually work. Providing you have given an initial layer of protection to the bike. The layers of dirt then form further protection around this.

Watched a documentary about Polish WW2 resistance fighters, one part mentioned them digging up their guns in grease even without cloth. The mud sticks to the gun and grease and actually often hardens creating a protective layer so that 50-60 years on when Polish people find hidden arsenals, after cleaning heavy layers of mud the guns are still in pristine condition.

I'm sure the same principal can in some way be applied to motorbikes??


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PostPosted: 09:49 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude - if you want to ride your bike all winter - you need to cover the bike (except brake discs and callipers, seat, pegs, grips, tyres - obviously) in ACF-50 or similar product.

Wash the bike often with warm water and mild soap so you don't wash the oils/silicones/whatever off the bike. Clean the callipers often so they don't crud up - I would do this once a month - especially if salt grit has been spread on the road. It takes 2 minutes to release a calliper - 30 seconds to removed the pads - 2 bolts normally, spray with a can of calliper cleaner and get a tooth brush in there.

If you ride in the salt - wash the bike before you put it away every single time and rinse the callipers off thoroughly turning the wheels and applying and releasing the brake - otherwise you'll have shit brakes in the spring and they'll need stripping and rebuilding.

You need some of these https://www.bellbrush.com/white-nonabrasive-scouring-pads-p-1669.html you can buy them in tescos/asda etc etc - these pads are for taking oxidation off parts such as spokes, nuts, bolt heads, engine casing etc.

You will need tooth brushes and/or non scratch pipe cleaners for hard to reach areas - these are great https://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=141373&Referrer=froogle - just watch you don't scratch the bike parts as the bristles are on a metal wire.

If you keep the bike clean, and protected it won't oxidise - if you ride it all week and leave crud on it it will furr up.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a waterjet.

I think that would be the most efficient way to clean and with no solvents.

Is it as simple as just rubbing ACF 50 everywhere? That's what I've been doing to date.

However I have heard of people putting other protective substances on their engines and exhausts which last all winter, maybe 2 applications. Just forget the names.

On another note there is also ACF 50 Corosion Block Grease, never used it:

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ACF-50-CORROSION-BLOCK-GREASE-454g-TUB-AND-57g-TUBE-/120630709467?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item1c16268cdb

What is it's purpose? Does it replace copper crease? So axles, chains, sprockets etc.?
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No mate thats just grease. I don't think you want to grease the bike. It's for moving parts.

Waterjet as in pressure washer? yeah sure - but not a direct jet as it gets into electrics, drives out oils and silicones and can wash grease out of head stock, rear suspension linkages etc - keep the jet about 2ft - 18" away from bike.

ACF - get a paint brush, spray it into the can lid and brush it on - saves over spray and waste. ACF-50 aint cheap.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: How do you protect/clean your bike against rust? Reply with quote

spetom wrote:
ACF 50 on the engine block and exhaust, when the engine starts up it smokes bad


Yes, this is normal. Then after your ride out, wash the bike down, rinse and re-apply the ACF 50/WD40. It's worked for me for oodles of years...I wouldn't change it.

I would however hope to have the bike inside a shed or garage during the winter months too. Especially if a Suzuki!!

If its outside, try and throw the cover over when it's dried off, less condensation that way. Thumbs Up

spetom wrote:
I've got a waterjet.


Eek! Be very careful...especially around your wheels, you could dry out your wheel bearings!!! Shocked I would get them checked out, if you've been spraying your bike for some time now!!!
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD40 imho is canny in an engine bay but exposed on a bike it gets washed off and there aint as many oils left residing after burn off.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 16 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlosfandango wrote:
No mate thats just grease. I don't think you want to grease the bike. It's for moving parts.

Waterjet as in pressure washer? yeah sure - but not a direct jet as it gets into electrics, drives out oils and silicones and can wash grease out of head stock, rear suspension linkages etc - keep the jet about 2ft - 18" away from bike.

ACF - get a paint brush, spray it into the can lid and brush it on - saves over spray and waste. ACF-50 aint cheap.


Thats what I was saying the ACF Grease. Can I stop using copper grease and swap over to the ACF stuff? Anyone tried this? Worth risking on the axle? I'm not sure if it has copper in it which I know is good for high heat working parts.

As for the pressure washer you're saying I should just keep my distance with it, right? Maybe use some Muc off afterwards (is this stuff worth buying?).

The paint brush idea is brilliant, yea I know ACF 50 ain't cheap, I usually spray the stuff on and then flannel like mad, I can imagine I've been quite wasteful and the stuff went everywhere as well.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 17 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

with acf50, use a rubber glove and 'rub' into area, rather than a cloth /toothbrush - that's how to save overspray.
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