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Ingah
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Any Alternative Security Products? Reply with quote

I'm planning to start using my 125 to get to work sometimes, and i want to park it on the road right outside of the shop (it can be easily seen from the counter - the road is literally 4/5m away from the counter including pavement and there's almost always someone there). I figured i'm best putting a cheap alarm/immobiliser on it (not a certified system, just something to make a noise if it's moved). I want it all as convenient as possible, but i don't feel that an easily disabled alarm alone is enough actual security, so i want to combine this with some convenient physical security, to totally prevent joyriding, and make the professionals jog on to an easier target.

I was wondering if anyone has come across any alternatives to the traditional chain/cable through a wheel security (i want to avoid the dirty hands as i work with food) - something else i can instead use to prevent my wheel(s) being turned without permission (or at least ridden away!). And i can't use a disc lock because i have dual drums (and a bad memory i can't trust Wink )

For example, something like Grip-Lock initially seemed good (as demonstrated here: https://www.grip-lock.com/Grip-Locks/ ). However, not only is too expensive for what it is (£45!!), it's a little *too* easy to bypass, and the reviews aren't all great as it can jam on, and apparently be picked / hammered off, all too easily. So anything else? (for example, i spotted a motorcycle clamp, but it's far too bulky and expensive).

Maybe i'm looking for something that doesn't exist (hence why i'm asking, because i can't think of anything else) - i just want a low faff (and cheap - don't see the need to spend much money for something that's not even going to prevent the bike being lifted) solution, for situations like this, when i don't want to bring along my Almax chain and lock it up to the nearest lamppost a couple of streets away via the frame Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:33 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:15 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say get a decent padlock & do exactly like that grip lock thing does, it would be a lot cheaper

ok so maybe some one could smash it off with a hammer but they would smash the break lever in the process & draw a lot of attention to themselves while doing it
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Any Alternative Security Products? Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
road right outside of the shop (it can be easily seen from the counter

How about making a sticker saying
"Owner of this bike is just in front of you. Look up, I'll smile at you".
I think most kids will be scared if they read this.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep,
I'd second that,
if people are aware your watching then there arnt likely to take a chance Wink

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PostPosted: 16:33 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a U-lock style one?
https://www.ghostbikes.com/products/Accessories-Security/1678-oxford-magnum-u-lock-small-.html
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only guaranteed way is to chain it to something. Being a 125, two blokes would be able to lift it without much hassle. Negating any disc locks, brake lever locks and alarms.

Can't you loop the chain through a bench, bin or drain grate nearby? If it's a quiet street, you might get away with filling a bucket full of cement and putting a thick steel loop into it, then asking a friendly friend with a car to dump it near your parking spot.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rowey wrote:
Only guaranteed way is to chain it to something. Being a 125, two blokes would be able to lift it without much hassle. Negating any disc locks, brake lever locks and alarms.


I agree.. I leave my 2008 RS125 in public car parks regulary. There has never been a single attempt to steal it. The bike is always chained to a steel utility pole or similar immovable object. The chain easily goes through my swing arm so it needs a bit more effort than just removing a rear wheel to get the rest of the bike.

Almax III Series btw.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 03 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just leave the keys in it with a sign saying STEAL ME PLEASE

im sure no oen will touch it... i left my zxr int he middle of swansea with the keys in for like 7 hr's without knowing and was shocked to see it still there
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just asking again in case someone happens to have come across anything (is there nothing that simply goes round the rear wheel in such a way it sticks out and so the wheel won't turn fully?), as apart from the small U-Lock idea (i'm looking for a cheap but meaty one - i have seen one that looks like this before, but i didn't need it at the time and have since forgotten where i saw it), there aren't any realistic options in the above, as it's a main road. The other thing is that the bike isn't physically in view of me all the time as sometimes i need to nip to the back of the shop or go out on delivery, but i'm not willing to mess around with my Almax 3 on what is essentially my second and cheap bike that i'm not *too* bothered about in the grand scheme of things - i'd prefer additional convenience instead.

The sign idea is quite tempting, but i'm not 100% convinced it's not going too far and is more likely to draw trouble, than a simple single visible lock, combined with an alarm.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go, 5 options.

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PostPosted: 20:12 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave a ridiculously big and bulky lock and chain at work and use that. There's no need to cart it back and forth every morning and evening that way.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a cheap "no wires" motorbike alarm you can get from ebay, runs from a 9v battery, you just chuck it under the seat, has a little blip remote too.

Edit: found link - https://wap.ebay.co.uk/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?emvAD=995x484&aid=270641355312&emvcc=0

Wouldn't rate it for amazing security but I use a backpack alarm in the same way at home, turn it on, shove under seat and it goes off if someone moves the bike. So long as you're in earshot of the thing it should be fine.

I want something I can use at home that will immobilise my bike without requiring bolts or concrete pouring. Where did you see the motorbike clamp? I have nothing to lock my bike to at home Sad
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drill a hole in the back sprocket, put a padlock through it.

Or a u-lock through the front wheel going round both forks which would be cleaner.

Just some thinking out loud:

One I used to do when I had to park my bike on the street is remove the handlebar clamps, very difficult to push a bike at any speed without the use of the handlebars. Time consuming though, I'm trying to think of some way of making them quick-detach, like something cunning using a couple of bicycle QD wheel skewers and a slotted end on the bar clamps.

Maybe some way of locking the mainstand down? I'm not that sure of the setup on a CG, but I'm thinking of some sort of sliding pin that locks out behind it when in the down position in a similar way to how the steering lock works.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the CG125 I have an old Abus U lock. Around about 10 to 12 inches long, 4 to 6 inches wide (from memory). Fits through the front forks and wire wheels. Stops the bike being easily wheeled away (no disc brakes for disc lock, chain cover means no stinkwheel sprocket lock).

I think the lock was originally used for a pushbike.

Also need a chain and lock to secure to an immovable object.

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PostPosted: 23:28 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Maybe some way of locking the mainstand down? I'm not that sure of the setup on a CG, but I'm thinking of some sort of sliding pin that locks out behind it when in the down position in a similar way to how the steering lock works.

How about something going from a stand to the handle bar - acting as a steering lock and stand clamp at the same time.

I'm thinking for fancyness, a bar-end could be quick released and pulled down with a length of retracting steel cable to clip on to a specific bit of a stand.

Might be a bit complicated to mate, however Smile.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

How about something going from a stand to the handle bar - acting as a steering lock and stand clamp at the same time.

I'm thinking for fancyness, a bar-end could be quick released and pulled down with a length of retracting steel cable to clip on to a specific bit of a stand.

Might be a bit complicated to mate, however Smile.


Although, if it is only to be used outside the shop, a solid bar with a hook on one end and a lockable clamp on the other end might do the trick. Put the bike on the stand, hook the bar round one leg of the stand, pull the steering to full lock and clamp the hoop round the fork stanchion. That would pretty effectively immobalise the whole outfit.

Heavy and numb but you're not having to carry it about with you.

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PostPosted: 00:00 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet you that'd have some buyers. Especially folk who have had their bike stolen recovered with a knackered steering lock. It's butt ugly but it works.

I was thinking about something you'd ride over and it'd clamp though the holes around your engine through the frame like a clamshell holding your bike upright and acting like a clamp.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Although, if it is only to be used outside the shop, a solid bar with a hook on one end and a lockable clamp on the other end might do the trick. Put the bike on the stand, hook the bar round one leg of the stand, pull the steering to full lock and clamp the hoop round the fork stanchion. That would pretty effectively immobalise the whole outfit.

Heavy and numb but you're not having to carry it about with you.

You saw it here first folks. Send all comission cheques to G and stinkwheel c/o BCF.com.


Honestly, I think that's a good idea. I'd buy one.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clean it up really well, put some advertising stickers all over it and stick the bike on a plynth in the shop for all to stare at

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PostPosted: 13:24 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just fitted one of these. https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/node/47 Was easy to fit.

£22 when I got mine tho.


They do cheaper ones as well.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
...a solid bar with a hook on one end and a lockable clamp on the other end might do the trick...

Sounds a bit like the original krook-lock for cars. Two hooks on either end for pedal and steering wheel in an extendable rachet type tube. The actual lock was the weak point (as in many cases). Guess a Thatcham approved padlock would help with that in your design though.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
...a solid bar with a hook on one end and a lockable clamp on the other end might do the trick...

Sounds a bit like the original krook-lock for cars. Two hooks on either end for pedal and steering wheel in an extendable rachet type tube. The actual lock was the weak point (as in many cases). Guess a Thatcham approved padlock would help with that in your design though.


Don't trust Thatcham though.
They are in bed with Sold Secure Solid Gold etc. A testing/certification body administered by police, insurers and manufactures.

The 'approved' testing on chains was blasted wide open by Almax a few years ago.
And a Local Trading Standards office too.

Insurers don't even seem to comprehend what does what as far as motorcycle security devices go. They go by Thatcham guidelines.
Manufactures submit devices for scrutiny by the test body.
They are allowed to supply their own selection so obviously supply a good sample for test.
This is not reflected in the quality of retailed goods though.
To be fair, the testing body should be permitted to select a device at random.

It has been proven that small chains are no good and offer very limited protection. They can be chopped easily and hardening of links is not perfect or in any way thorough.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
map wrote:
...a bit like the original krook-lock for cars...lock was the weak point...a Thatcham approved padlock would help with that...


Don't trust Thatcham though.
They are in bed with Sold Secure Solid Gold etc. A testing/certification body administered by police, insurers and manufactures....

Fair point well made.
However, insurance companies do like it if you say you use one (reduce quotes by a few pennies, but it's yet another excuse not to pay out if they find you didn't).

As far as Joe Public is concerend then it's one of the few barometers they have on product usefulness. One other is being recommended one used by a friend that's not been forced Very Happy

Anyhow, slightly off-topic, apologies for that.

I'm just waiting for a metal basher to fabricate a prototype of stinkwheel's design.

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