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PostPosted: 20:00 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: The correct road positions for test Reply with quote

Guys & Gals what is the correct position to be in in the following situations, I'm a bit confused so thought i'd ask the experience here.

Stopped at lights or junction turning left, car in front or not, is it centre of lane or over to the left?

Same as above but turning right, roundabouts always centre of lane yes?

Reason I ask is where I did my cbt taught to always be in centre of lane, yet today I was behind an instructor and pupils and they were keeping more to left and right? I'm practising for my test so would like to do it right constantly to drum it in to myself.

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PostPosted: 20:03 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually sit about a third across my side of the road from the curb when turning left.

When turning right I sit about a foot from the centre line.

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 19 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If turning left, get right over to the left. Exception when a few cars back stay in the middle of your lane.

If turning right, get right over to the right same exception as above

If at a roundabout do the same.

Only difference is when there are marked lanes then you stay in the centre of your marked lane.

For demonstration purposes my instructor would ride up my right hand side if I cocked it up and flick the killswitch, he'd also ride up my left side and give me a shove if I left a gap big enough for him. Scared the shit out of me and I called him a twat but it got the point across.

when not on test, protect your lane space and use your head. I leave a slightly bigger gap when turning left as i dislike being side swiped by lorries Smile
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also depends upon the speed limit and type of the road.

My instructor always told me to stay in the centre of my lane in a 20 or 30 limit, on a dual carriageway slightly left of centre in the left lane and slightly right of centre in the right hand lane.

In above 30 sit so that the whole bike is in your lane (nothing hanging over the centre line) and where you have the best view.

When going around corners in twisties, move slightly to the right for a left hander, and slightly left for a right hander. But make sure your bike stays within your lane.

+1 on the info Bloke gave you hope the above helps as well!

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PostPosted: 14:08 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: The correct road positions for test Reply with quote

A5tra_G wrote:
...turning right, roundabouts always centre of lane yes?...

As said, make sure nothing can come to your left/right. Lifesaver check before turn is to make sure of just that situation (e.g. pushbikes).

Also remember at roundabout if 2 lanes onto it turning right the lifesaver is to your left. This is to check for someone cutting you up on the inside.

Turning right at junctions I angle the bike slightly (use the long side of the give way arrow if marked on road). This makes sure you're not 90 degrees to the junction and makes the turn easier. Not sure if this would be correct for the test, ok for afterwards (not sure if I picked it up being instructed or during advanced riding training).

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PostPosted: 14:30 - 20 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was taught that if you are stopped at a junction and the instructor / examiner can get a bike between you and the kerb on a left turn and you and the white lines on a right turn then he will and you fail.

When on normal twisties then position yourself so you can see as far around the corner as possible
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 21 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct riding position
https://www.amadirectlink.com/roadride/NewRider/NRimages/ride.jpg


Incorrect riding position
https://www.selectspecs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/motorcycle.jpg


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PostPosted: 11:18 - 21 Oct 2010    Post subject: possitioning Reply with quote

Well i failled my part 2 1st time round for being in a central position, the tester then told me afterwards that if turning right you should leave no space for another car to squeeze past on your right same for turning left make sure no one can get in beside you on the left.

Next time i was all right across to the left and right and passed Smile
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 21 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: possitioning Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:
Well i failled my part 2 1st time round for being in a central position, the tester then told me afterwards that if turning right you should leave no space for another car to squeeze past on your right same for turning left make sure no one can get in beside you on the left.

Next time i was all right across to the left and right and passed Smile


You didn't take your test at the Enfield centre did you cause that's what happened to the guy who did his test before me.....

To the OP - if after all of the above great advice you are still not sure or start panicking before your test maybe have a look at https://www.youtube.com/user/learn2rideVIDEOS I think they are based in Ireland but the rules are the same and I used them in addition to my instructor to re-enforce in my head where I needed to be positioned on the road.

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PostPosted: 13:14 - 21 Oct 2010    Post subject: Possitioning Reply with quote

No took it up here in Caithness

But the tester took me round the same bit twice just incase the first time it was a once off however he told me i done it both times so a dangerous fault and i failled.

However the next time round made sure i was a the right or left for every turning and the same tester then passed me.

But i had no training before hand i just went for the test so was winging it to see how i got on.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 21 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of questions aswel



What if, there are two dedicated lanes to turn right, you are in the left lane, what position should you be in that lane?



Also, thought of this one when It happened to me today. What if, you are turning right at the lights, you are positioned on the right of the lane, when the lights turn green and you start moving, a car comes and squeezes past on the left, what do you do, just keep riding like normal?


Also, I made some position mistakes while on a dreaded roundabout in my town, It's a single lane, and I wish to go straight on, I presume you be in the left position whereas I was in the middle. What if, The examiner went into that space which was left to the left of me, even if i looked and double checked before starting and knew he was there- you would fail right?
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: Possitioning Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:
No took it up here in Caithness



I thought it was too great a coincidence Smile

To Blurredman - Anybody correct me if I'm wrong as I'm still a noob but if you are in a dedicated lane to turn right then you should be in the centre of the lane you are in and do your lifesaver before moving off. This way it is harder for a car to squeeze past on the left or right. If a car does manage to do that then on your test you'll get a minor/major for it. Either way you'll have to decide whether it's safe to keep riding or let him go in front. The way I feel is my life is in my hands and I'll do what I can to keep safe so I'd probably let the idiot go esp as I'm riding a 125. If it was a more powerful bike then........ Twisted Evil

Re: single lane/roundabout - If you are going straight ahead then you stay centre don't you (position 1 for left turns, 2 for straight and 3 for right turns)? If the examiner was to the left of you then you ignore him and go where you need to be. My examiner stayed well to the left of me most times on the dual carriageways, single lanes etc cause he a) wanted to see my control of the bike and b) was making sure the drivers behind could see another biker in front. It's a bit like when you ride with a group of riders you are supposed to stagger yourselves so the drivers/other riders can see all of you not just the one behind/in front.

HTH

Oh and if any of the above is wrong then those wise experts on here please say cause as I said I'm still a noob and even though I passed my test I'm still learning every day Wink
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was under instruction to always maintain centre of lane until you are making a turn against the flow of your lane i.e. turning off into a left get over to the left but not too far. break the road into halves and get in the middle of the left half. for turning right same applies but on the right.

when just following a trafic light flow for one or more lanes in a certain direction where no actual 'turn' is made then just maintain central position.

it sounds a bit harsh that he failed you on positioning like that aslong as you were in your lines and not waggling about. a dangerous fault for me would be straying over the white lines or allowing traffic to move past you in lane.

dont worry too much fella just use your noggin and relax you will be fine. the examiner is nothing more then a glorified satnav just relax and ride your own ride. if he gets stuck at lights sod him he will have to catch up, he may ask you to pull over though but dont slow down or worry about him before he gives an instruction. keep an eyes on those speed limit changes and you will be fine Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
I have a couple of questions aswel



What if, there are two dedicated lanes to turn right, you are in the left lane, what position should you be in that lane?


If you're turning right - Its a marked lane in both cases. Maintain centre position in both.

If you can go straight on or left in the left lane (cross roads)...

Turning left - Get left.

Going straight - Stay in the middle.

If its only a T junction, 2 lanes going right, 1 lane going left. Its a marked lane (implied if no markings are in the left lane but every other lane is marked) in either direction so maintain position in the middle.

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Also, thought of this one when It happened to me today. What if, you are turning right at the lights, you are positioned on the right of the lane, when the lights turn green and you start moving, a car comes and squeezes past on the left, what do you do, just keep riding like normal?


I'd toot my horn to allow the car driver to know I'm there as obviously he hasn't seen me. Wink I would also give way to him as he's being an arse and sadly motorbikes don't offer much in the way of resistance to a 1.5 tonne vehicle.

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Also, I made some position mistakes while on a dreaded roundabout in my town, It's a single lane, and I wish to go straight on, I presume you be in the left position whereas I was in the middle. What if, The examiner went into that space which was left to the left of me, even if i looked and double checked before starting and knew he was there- you would fail right?


Straight on = middle but around the outside of the roundabout, do not cut across.

Left = Left

Right = Right.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to watch the clips and tips I get from this bloke:

https://www.youtube.com/user/learn2rideVIDEOS
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
I like to watch the clips and tips I get from this bloke:

https://www.youtube.com/user/learn2rideVIDEOS


Only problem is that it's based on the NI tests which seem to require different manouvers to us.

I certainly noticed a difference between his instruction and what my instructor was saying. Things like the lifesavers and ordering.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: possitioning Reply with quote

If it helps this is the bit where i failled once

this is a 1 way street and i was told to turn right and possitioned myself int he middle.

However next time round i passed when i went right up to the wall on the right

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=58.439521,-3.086911&spn=0.002154,0.004785&z=18&layer=c&cbll=58.439818,-3.087385&panoid=nMITrbSUAdjtcmnRMBJ0WA&cbp=12,81.79,,0,5.1
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: possitioning Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:
If it helps this is the bit where i failled once

this is a 1 way street and i was told to turn right and possitioned myself int he middle.

However next time round i passed when i went right up to the wall on the right

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=58.439521,-3.086911&spn=0.002154,0.004785&z=18&layer=c&cbll=58.439818,-3.087385&panoid=nMITrbSUAdjtcmnRMBJ0WA&cbp=12,81.79,,0,5.1


On a 1 way street you're expected to treat the entire road as a single lane unless otherwise indicated.

So yep. move to the "wrong side of the road" if turning right not just the middle if there are no markings.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 22 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a car licence for 2 years now. And I haven't come into any bad habbits. I always do what I was taught to do when driving. As my grandfather said- people often want to pass the test, and not to learn to drive.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 27 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are not learning anything from your instructor, it's time you started asking some questions!!! This is what he/she is there for - for you to learn. If you're not learning, ask for help.

There is little point paying the money and getting no help whatsoever. Heck, my instructor showed me how to do endo's...he was a pretty cool bloke. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:55 - 28 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rule is easy.
The gap you leave between you and the kerb/opposite lane shouldn't be wider than a pushbike.
Mirror, lifesaver, position/signal, lifesaver, turn, check speed limit, cancel signal, position.

Real life situation: signal, position to the opposite side, start feeding the throttle, tilt the bike as much as you can (your balls let you), turn, slow down to 10 while checking the tits on the right, cancel signal, check her bum from the right mirror, sigh, open the throttle.
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