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PostPosted: 21:25 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Who carries a First Aid Kit? Reply with quote

I did a British Red Cross first aid class on Monday and I now brought myself a First Aid Kit for my bike! Anyone else carry them and if so which one did you get?
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought one, and I can't seem to find the site to show you, but it was specifically for motorcycles.

Just google motorcycle first aid kit

It has so many things, but I have only taken it on one ride to Wallsall from London and back. They are simply too big and you really are unlikely to use it on yourself after a crash.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah mine is one for a car, i would like one just for motorcycles to fit in my tank bag
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, I don't plan on getting one either.

If your injured then likely hood is your going to need an ambulance anyway, although may prove useful if you find someone who is injured?

Either way, there is no where I could fit it anyway Laughing

I think a more useful item would be dog tags for the medics Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a small one in the top box, about the size of your hand, has bandage, dressings, wipes, plasters etc, got it for a few quid in Somerfield a while back.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

L4Isoside wrote:
Nah, I don't plan on getting one either.

If your injured then likely hood is your going to need an ambulance anyway, although may prove useful if you find someone who is injured?

Either way, there is no where I could fit it anyway Laughing

I think a more useful item would be dog tags for the medics Thumbs Up


Not just useful for riding, also good for injuries I might sustain whilst working on the bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What use is the stuff in a first aid kit other than the triangular bandage? All I carry is a smamagh ( Arab scalf) that I wear anyway. Cuts do not need plasters and sterile dressings and bandages does not make sense of dirty injuries.
Mobile phone and first aid training are more important than kits IMHO. Bandages just give you something to fiddle with until the ambulance arrives and takes them all off again.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

We have a few small ones, although to be honest I wouldn't really know what to do with one (not done a first aid course in about 25 years). Survival blanket in the kit might be usable though.

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought the RAC one from Argos a good while ago and topped that up with some other bits like plasters, paracetomol, a reflective safety blanket thing and some wipe things from the Lidl one.

It's for the bike but so far it has mainly come in handy at work and whilst working on the bike at home.

Ariel, I see your point about most of the stuff being useless. Using your initiative is just as important, like a paper bag to stop someone from hyper ventilating or even an old jumper or something to protect someone's head while they are having an epileptic fit.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride an ER6 at the moment and you can't fit a disk lock under the seat. Seriously you can't even fit a pen under the seat. Unbelievable crap design, I had an ER5 before and I could carry a 5' chain.

In the car I have a great big first aid kit which I acquired . Which even has things like scissors, survival blankets, eye wounds, compression thingies for burns.

Weird thing is I have no idea at all what to do with the stuff.

I never even took biology I really have no idea at all.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
I ride an ER6 at the moment and you can't fit a disk lock under the seat. Seriously you can't even fit a pen under the seat. Unbelievable crap design, I had an ER5 before and I could carry a 5' chain.


I can just about fit a disc lock in. The first aid kit lives in my rucksack.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

After an incident earlier this year, I now carry a first aid kit of my own devising which is full of fucking usefull stuff instead of sticking plasters and a tin of germoline including:

2 airways, (big and small).
couple of big fuck-off 14g 2" hypodermic needles.
3-way tap.
50ml syringe.
2 artey forceps
small pot of hibiscrub.
pot of asprin
couple of prepacked sutures.
tube of superglue
big and small scalpel blade
three compressed triangular bandages
couple of big swabs wrapped in clingfilm.

I took more general stuff on my tour but that's my emergency kit. The above kit fits in a small bag the size of a carton of milk.

I would really like to add something to improvise a neck brace with but it would need to be small enough to fit under the seat on my VFR.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless i can carry morphine, then what can a piddly 1st aid kit provide. Neck brace...splint..bandages..sticky plasters for gravel rash Laughing
I carry one of those cpr shields and some gloves, the rest i can improvise.... till they die......... or Tim arrives.


[edit] ying to my yang mr stinkwheel

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PostPosted: 22:58 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not put morphine in a kit. You want a casualty who is screaming out in agony. When you go quiet you need to panic, morphine makes them quiet.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinkwheel, just a thought, maybe you could adapt one of those "U" shaped inflateable pillow thingys you see on long distance flights. It could be made a little more rigid by wrapping bandage or tape around the outside to brace it.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
What use is the stuff in a first aid kit other than the triangular bandage? All I carry is a smamagh ( Arab scalf) that I wear anyway. Cuts do not need plasters and sterile dressings and bandages does not make sense of dirty injuries.
Mobile phone and first aid training are more important than kits IMHO. Bandages just give you something to fiddle with until the ambulance arrives and takes them all off again.


I think you'll find stemming the loss of blood is higher on the priority list than keeping the cut clean.

A triangular bandage is shit for "clogging" the hole left from an open wound, it just sits on top of the thing and doesn't form a decent seal.

Cotton wool pads on the bandages you seem to think are useless are fantastic for closing a wound, they encourage the clotting action of the blood.

"oh yeah well I'll just make a tourniquet out of my T-bandage"

You will stop the flow of blood to an entire limb when it could be more effectively stopped by the correct application of a pad and gauze bandage.

I used to be a member of the Red Cross and now a "qualified" first aider according to the HSE.

I carry a first aid kit whenever im in the car, on the bike I've yet to find one that fits, that said nothing stopping me stopping another vehicle to get one if I see an accident.

I think a first aid kit should be compulsary for every car (provided by the manufacturers in a standard format) - Even if people do not know how to use it, it means others who do can stop any vehicle and use it to save someones life, it takes up almost no space and costs practically nothing.

The kit I carry has no real expiry date to worry about.

I carry:

- several sterile bandages/pads/gauze and some not so sterile (as above, sterility isn't exactly 100% important when you're trying to stop someone bleeding)

- 4 x T bandages (enough to fully immobilise someones lower body in the case of a broken leg/blanket stretcher carry)

- pair of scissors designed to cut through clothing.

- 500ml bottle of saline (Just useful to have as a basic fluid for flushing eyes/wounds)

For personal use: I carry paracetamol & ibuprofen along with some germoline and plasters for those moments where I cock up and manage to cut myself or am sporting a headache.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

morphine was for me(terrible habit)

neck brace...gaffa tape.

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PostPosted: 23:20 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

LongJohn22 wrote:
Stinkwheel, just a thought, maybe you could adapt one of those "U" shaped inflateable pillow thingys you see on long distance flights. It could be made a little more rigid by wrapping bandage or tape around the outside to brace it.


If you're trained to use one. You'd have one.

Otherwise if you suspect you need to use one. You don't go near their neck.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloke wrote:

A triangular bandage is shit for "clogging" the hole left from an open wound, it just sits on top of the thing and doesn't form a decent seal.


You were clearly never in the boy scouts.

There is a reason why they wear a neckerchief.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
After an incident earlier this year, I now carry a first aid kit of my own devising which is full of fucking usefull stuff instead of sticking plasters and a tin of germoline including:

2 airways, (big and small).
couple of big fuck-off 14g 2" hypodermic needles.
3-way tap.
50ml syringe.
2 artey forceps
small pot of hibiscrub.
pot of asprin
couple of prepacked sutures.
tube of superglue
big and small scalpel blade
three compressed triangular bandages
couple of big swabs wrapped in clingfilm.

I took more general stuff on my tour but that's my emergency kit. The above kit fits in a small bag the size of a carton of milk.

I would really like to add something to improvise a neck brace with but it would need to be small enough to fit under the seat on my VFR.


I presume you've had some more advanced first aid training?

While I applaud your forethought for being ready for a collapsed lung (2" needles, 3 way tap) or a collapsed airway (the airways).

I'd no way recommend your kit like you seem to have for the general public as without specialist training you stand a massive chance of causing one big deadly mess.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Bloke wrote:

A triangular bandage is shit for "clogging" the hole left from an open wound, it just sits on top of the thing and doesn't form a decent seal.


You were clearly never in the boy scouts.

There is a reason why they wear a neckerchief.


A triangular bandage is good for support. Not for plugging holes, its better than nothing but given a choice a triangular bandage + pad performs the job so much better than a triangular bandage alone.

P.S. I went through Beavers -> Cubs -> Scouts -> Ventures. I've got more neckerchiefs than you can shake a pair of wooden beads or a woggle at.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloke wrote:

Otherwise if you suspect you need to use one. You don't go near their neck.


Air ambulance eta is 15 minutes. Casualty has stopped breathing. Strong suspicion of a severe neck injury. Helmet is still on.

What are you going to do?

I could have done with a neck brace and an airway.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Bloke wrote:

Otherwise if you suspect you need to use one. You don't go near their neck.


Air ambulance eta is 15 minutes. Casualty has stopped breathing. Strong suspicion of a severe neck injury. Helmet is still on.

What are you going to do?

I could have done with a neck brace and an airway.


Triage.

Lack of breathing is a more direct threat to life than spinal injury or head injury.

I would remove/flip up helmet and perform rescue breaths.

I'm not saying they have no use in a first aid kit, im saying you should only use them if you are trained in their use as you appear to be. (I am not)
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloke wrote:


I presume you've had some more advanced first aid training?

While I applaud your forethought for being ready for a collapsed lung (2" needles, 3 way tap) or a collapsed airway (the airways).

I'd no way recommend your kit like you seem to have for the general public as without specialist training you stand a massive chance of causing one big deadly mess.


If your patient has stopped breathing, how can you possibly make it any worse?

As it happens, I'm a trained surgeon. Equally, the guy walking his dogs along the road could be too. I reckon a first aid kit should at a minimum have a couple of disposable airways in it. Even if you don't know how to use them, someone could be there who does.

The only useful part of most car first aid kits I've seen if you had to save someones life in a case of major trauma is the plastic bag it came in. This could be used to seal an open chest wound. An injury that would need any of the other things to treat isn't going to kill you before the ambulance gets there.

Standard car first aid kit contains:
# First Aid in an Emergency booklet
# 1 x Pack assorted washproof plasters (10-pack)
# 2 x No. 16 eye pad
# 1 x Disposable triangular bandage
# 1 x Pack safety pins (6-pack)
# 2 x HSE medium
# 1 x HSE large dressing
# 10 x Cleansing wipes
# 2 x SJS nitrile powder-free gloves
# 1 x Conforming bandage 5 cm x 4.5 m
# 3 x Eye wash phials 20 ml
# 1 x SJS face shield--single
# 2 x Big plaster 7.5 x 10 cm

The only things I can see there that would be in any way useful to treat an immediately life-threatning injury are the big pads and the triangular bandage which could help with a major bleed. The booklet you should have read beforehand.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Bloke wrote:


I presume you've had some more advanced first aid training?

While I applaud your forethought for being ready for a collapsed lung (2" needles, 3 way tap) or a collapsed airway (the airways).

I'd no way recommend your kit like you seem to have for the general public as without specialist training you stand a massive chance of causing one big deadly mess.


If your patient has stopped breathing, how can you possibly make it any worse?

As it happens, I'm a trained surgeon. Equally, the guy walking his dogs along the road could be too. I reckon a first aid kit should at a minimum have a couple of disposable airways in it. Even if you don't know how to use them, someone could be there who does.

The only useful part of most car first aid kits I've seen if you had to save someones life in a case of major trauma is the plastic bag it came in. This could be used to seal an open chest wound. An injury that would need any of the other things to treat isn't going to kill you before the ambulance gets there.

Standard car first aid kit contains:
# First Aid in an Emergency booklet
# 1 x Pack assorted washproof plasters (10-pack)
# 2 x No. 16 eye pad
# 1 x Disposable triangular bandage
# 1 x Pack safety pins (6-pack)
# 2 x HSE medium
# 1 x HSE large dressing
# 10 x Cleansing wipes
# 2 x SJS nitrile powder-free gloves
# 1 x Conforming bandage 5 cm x 4.5 m
# 3 x Eye wash phials 20 ml
# 1 x SJS face shield--single
# 2 x Big plaster 7.5 x 10 cm

The only things I can see there that would be in any way useful to treat an immediately life-threatning injury are the big pads and the triangular bandage which could help with a major bleed. The booklet you should have read beforehand.


Fair points and I can't argue with that Smile + Karma Thumbs Up
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