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PostPosted: 02:03 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Why so expensive? Reply with quote

Is this a proper rare bike? What's so special about it?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDA-NR750-OVAL-PISTON-CLASSIC-COLLECTORS-ULTIMATE-/130447129119?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1e5f413a1f#ht_1427wt_1139
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PostPosted: 02:34 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, The price is well over the top but don't you have google in your part of the internet????


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NR
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PostPosted: 03:14 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

plugger147 wrote:
OK, The price is well over the top but don't you have google in your part of the internet????


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NR


No unfortunately google has not reached us yet. Were expecting it in 2012. Were still using the brilliant system that is lycos.
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't much special about the NR bar its oval pistons and eight valve set up. You'd have to be a proper bellend to spend over a hundred grand on an early 90s fat, slow Honda Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the last time I saw a good condition NR750 on ebay a few months back it was priced at around 40k - as poncy as that reg plate is, there's no way it's worth 70k Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a rare bike but not really a good one. Like the Mona Lisa, pretty much the same as any other painting ever done but because a few ponces say it's worth millions, it is.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It was Honda showing off what they could do around 1990. Oval pistons with 8 valves and 2 con rods per cylinder, along with carbon fibre bodywork. Honda had spent most of the previous decade trying to get oval pistons to work (having tried them as a way to get the 4 strokes vaguely competitive with the 2 strokes in GP racing), and the NR was just their way of showing they could do it.

Not that quick as they are not in a high state of tune (which kind of defeats the object of oval piston engines). Could have easily been made do produce a hell of a lot more power if they wanted. Advantage of oval pistons is that for racing rules it is a 4 cylinder engine, but bore and stroke wise, valve wise, etc it is effectively a V8, so can be built with a short stroke and have the knackers revved off it to produce high power.

New around 1990 they were about £38k.

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PostPosted: 10:37 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

New around 1990 they were about £38k.


'kin hell Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theys sooooo purddy!

Not sure if I would own one though. At the time they were something special but now days they do look a little dated.

I think if someone gave me one I would sell it and buy something else and pocket the rest.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This (much reposted vid) remains my favourite NR clip. Appropriate choice of music too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wm0yWZ0SGo

A bit harsh maybe, but who hasn’t done exactly this before...? That’s right...

...NOT ME!!!

But I’m sure I remember my brand new CBR6 getting dropped just like this many years ago... oh, I remember, that was immediately after my mate finally convinced me to let his new girlfriend have a go on it!..

Clutch in for 30 seconds, select false neutral, both feet up and rev the nuts off it while releasing the clutch and gracelessly falling over. I also sold her my immaculate Divvy that I’d lavished with care and attention, only for her to write it off a month later. Not one of life’s natural bikers.

Me, bitter? Wink
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That dealer seems to take the piss on asking prices, they were trying to sell a 70s GT750 for £10k a few weeks ago (oh I notice he still is!) Admittedly it was a fantastic restoration but 10 thousand pounds?? Original CB750s don't seem to go for more than 6 or 7 k.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i want one soooo bad. yes its well over priced and they are very rare. there is a youtube video of a dealer who bought one of these and an rc30 new and lept them boxed and recently unveiled them.

here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvmnSiVpoH8
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ollieholt wrote:
i want one soooo bad. yes its well over priced and they are very rare. there is a youtube video of a dealer who bought one of these and an rc30 new and lept them boxed and recently unveiled them.

here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvmnSiVpoH8


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PostPosted: 17:23 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
i wonder what kind of power one would make in the hands of someone like roger upperton.

i bet no one would be willing to work on them though, seeing how rare they are.


There was a small team of Honda personnel assigned to carry out work on the NRs, I seem to recall. At that price I'd expect Erv Kanemoto turning up on my doorstep with a lifetime supply of chocolate Hob Nobs and an NSR500 courtesy bike.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the mcn this weeks a vfr750 has been brought up to modern standards, rather bastardised to be honest but still, i bet its a weapon.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That shop is taking the piss, £4000 for a Benly, bloody hell.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1968-HONDA-CD175-A-SLOPER-CLASSIC-BEAUTIFULLY-RESTORED-/130451868181?pt=UK_Motorcycles

I dont care how beautifully restored it is, it was crap then and will be crap now.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The screen if broken costs £3000 from Honda. The tail unit/Tank cover is one piece Carbon Fibre. Everything about it is Special and one off. Lovely bike but I fear never more than a collectors piece and definately worth nowhere near £115k.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time these things come up I throw my two penneth worth in so Im not going to resist.

If, like me, you're not nostalgic or led by other peoples opinions you will probably see and old fashioned ugly bike in those photos. If you are interested in how a machine performs you will again be a bit baffled as to why its so expensive. For me as a modern pauper whos house is worth as much as this 1980's shitbox Id rather spend a minute fraction on a modern sportsbike that will thrash it in every dept, whilst being of more use and lookung better, or even spend half of the cost on (oh my god) an awesome car!

What the sensible see here is a chocolate teapot, what others see is an opportunity to relieve a nostalgic idiot of his cash!

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PostPosted: 08:36 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i would rather buy that honda than fork out £51 million for a vase like some idiot did the other day Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read many years ago that Honda actually developed a V8 engine which was banned from racing, so they effectively machined the bores into pairs and made the 'oval' pistoned V4 (the pistons aren't actually ovals). Can't find reference to this though.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
Every time these things come up I throw my two penneth worth in so Im not going to resist.

If, like me, you're not nostalgic or led by other peoples opinions you will probably see and old fashioned ugly bike in those photos. If you are interested in how a machine performs you will again be a bit baffled as to why its so expensive. For me as a modern pauper whos house is worth as much as this 1980's shitbox Id rather spend a minute fraction on a modern sportsbike that will thrash it in every dept, whilst being of more use and lookung better, or even spend half of the cost on (oh my god) an awesome car!

What the sensible see here is a chocolate teapot, what others see is an opportunity to relieve a nostalgic idiot of his cash!

Flame away!


No flame, I agree 100%, you'd need to a real fool to part with more than 2 or 3 grand for this.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
That shop is taking the piss, £4000 for a Benly, bloody hell.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1968-HONDA-CD175-A-SLOPER-CLASSIC-BEAUTIFULLY-RESTORED-/130451868181?pt=UK_Motorcycles

I dont care how beautifully restored it is, it was crap then and will be crap now.


You can buy an original bonnie for that! I notice he's trying to flog an early gsxr750 for 6k as well!
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ollieholt wrote:
i want one soooo bad. yes its well over priced and they are very rare. there is a youtube video of a dealer who bought one of these and an rc30 new and lept them boxed and recently unveiled them.

here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvmnSiVpoH8



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PostPosted: 12:19 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know what you mean glen Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 14 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
i wonder what kind of power one would make in the hands of someone like roger upperton.

i bet no one would be willing to work on them though, seeing how rare they are.


I seem to recall Honda tuning one around the time the bike was released, made something in the region of 160bhp I think. There was an article in Bike magazine a couple of years ago that stated there was only one person in the UK that could service them.

I wish more manufacturers made bikes like this. The kind where they show what they really can do when expense isn't something to be hindered by. I don't like the looks of the NR that much (I prefer RVFs and RC30s from a similar vintage) but I really appreciate how good a bike can be when a manufacturer is at the top of their game, where every conceivable component is as good as it can possibly be. It doesn't matter to me at all that performance wasn't their main target for the NR, I appreciate that is important for some people, but it need not be the ethos behind every single bike that's ever made.

The last bike we had like this was probably the Desmosedici and it too has since been surpassed in terms of performance by recent 'mass produced' machinery. What really disappointed with my about the Ducati though was that despite it looking like a MotoGP bike with lights and a numberplate, (and the fact that Ducati had balls to make such a thing), the quality and finish of the components didn't seem as good as I thought they should be in the flesh. Having seen a few up close, they appear to be built on the same level as an 1198, albeit one with some very trick components, rather than a machine displaying exceptional craftmanship.

I agree that the one featured is well over priced, but I guess in time, bikes like these will just continue to appreciate. I was disappointed that there wasn't one at Goodwood when I went a couple of years ago. I really wanted to see the Rolls Royce of motorcycles in the flesh.*

*Obviously, that's not the best analogy, but I hope you get what I mean.
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