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nisp
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: help with categorys Reply with quote

hi all, i have a small dilemma, well

i was told that to obtain a cat A2 license i must do my tests on a cat A1 bike. that's fair enough, im happy with that Smile

but my problem is that my bike doesn't appear on a list of cat A bikes. Sad
my bike is a Honda CB 125 T2 (1981). but but the CB 125 superdream as it is very similar (1982~),

i thought i would bring it to you to see if you Think my older bike might pass as a super dream..

if you dont understand anything, ill put more explanation in
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Bloke
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cat A licence is unrestricted you need to do it on a bike that has a power output greater than 35kw.

Unless you've fitted nitrous/a turbo to your commuter 125 I highly doubt it'll net you a Cat A licence.

If you mean A2... Then think: examiners do this for their.job, they'll spot your non superdream from a mile off. Just use a bike on the list to avoid possible disappointment.
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nisp
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 13 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i want a A 2 licence, so i need to have a A1 bike to do it on, but i don't think my bike is in that category.
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SweenyT
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nisp wrote:
i want a A 2 licence, so i need to have a A1 bike to do it on, but i don't think my bike is in that category.


I would suggest that if you're going to take your test with a school then ask them. Failing that contact your local test centre.
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Kal
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A2. Restricted licence yes?

Then you need a 125cc bike putting out less than 14.6bhp - your 125 will be fine.


Class A. Unrestricted.

This is the licence that requires you to ride a 45+bhp bike for the test.
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nisp
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant A2 restricted license Embarassed

after when i bought my bike a found a list of specs and it says 17.5 Confused but that 'Might' have been when it was new, 30 odd years ago...

so it looks like i need to do my license on a different bike? or is there a loop hole as it is old?
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
A2. Restricted licence yes?

Then you need a 125cc bike putting out less than 14.6bhp - your 125 will be fine.


Class A. Unrestricted.

This is the licence that requires you to ride a 45+bhp bike for the test.


That CB125 I believe is a twin and puts out more than 14.6 bhp, it is illegal to ride it on a CBT, Technically.
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Kal
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
That CB125 I believe is a twin and puts out more than 14.6 bhp, it is illegal to ride it on a CBT, Technically.


I didn't bother specing it up (bad kal). Being a twin doesn't matter, but the power output does.

If the op really wants to do the licence on his CB then he could do a dyno run and corss his fingers that it has lost enough power to qualify.
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
chris-red wrote:
That CB125 I believe is a twin and puts out more than 14.6 bhp, it is illegal to ride it on a CBT, Technically.


I didn't bother specing it up (bad kal). Being a twin doesn't matter, but the power output does.

If the op really wants to do the licence on his CB then he could do a dyno run and corss his fingers that it has lost enough power to qualify.


Wasn't saying being a twin matters, but the twin cylinder cb125 was the only one that had /too/ much power for the CBT rules and regs.

Personally I doubt any instructor/examiner will say you can't do it on that bike, I doubt they will know or care.
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nisp
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

AHHH, looks like im doing my test on my bro CG.. because im not putting my bike on the dino run

and so it is technically illegal to ride my bike at all than i suppose..

thanks for the mind opening
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blurredman
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 15 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being as it's 30 years old, a big clogged up and the carbs arn't the best of sync, possibly he has lost a number of hp to the actual output of the wheels...
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 16 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's entirely up to the whim of the examiner on the day. I booked A2 and turned up with a printout showing my cheap Chinese bike is listed as A2, but didn't even get asked about it. However, I have heard of people doing their test and being told "Congratulations, you've passed. Now here's your A1 joke license..."

Some clarifications:
A1 and A2 are currently [*] DSA bike categories. There's currently [*] no such thing as an A2 license from DVLA. If you sit on an A1 bike (<100kph), you get an "A1 light" license that only allows you to ride 125s <11kW. If you sit on an A2 bike you get an "A (restricted)" license with a 25kW limit that automatically upgrades to unrestricted A after 2 years.

You want your bike to be A2. The most recent list is here, and doesn't show either the CB 125 T2 or the Superdream.

However, it does have a mysterious "@125 or Dylan" listing, which might (God alone knows) mean "any other 125 Honda". Most Hondas (most bikes, really) are A2. However the list does say that if in any doubt, examiners must assume the lower category.

So, don't listen to anyone here, me included. Call the local DSA test centre and ask. They're the only people who matter.

[*] All this is going to change with the 3rd European Driving License directive by 2013.
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 16 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's entirely up to the whim of the examiner on the day. I booked A2 and turned up with a printout showing my cheap Chinese bike is listed as A2, but didn't even get asked about it. However, I have heard of people doing their test and being told "Congratulations, you've passed. Now here's your A1 joke license..."

Some clarifications:
A1 and A2 are currently [*] DSA bike categories. There's currently [*] no such thing as an A2 license from DVLA. If you sit on an A1 bike (<100kph), you get an "A1 light" license that only allows you to ride 125s <11kW. If you sit on an A2 bike you get an "A (restricted)" license with a 25kW limit that automatically upgrades to unrestricted A after 2 years.

You want your bike to be A2. The most recent list is here, and doesn't show either the CB 125 T2 or the Superdream.

However, it does have a mysterious "@125 or Dylan" listing, which might (God alone knows) mean "any other 125 Honda". Most Hondas (most bikes, really) are A2. However the list does say that if in any doubt, examiners must assume the lower category.

So, don't listen to anyone here, me included. Call the local DSA test centre and ask. They're the only people who matter.

[*] All this is going to change with the 3rd European Driving License directive by 2013.


Dylan is a 125 honda moped there are thousands in the city. Honestly I would put money that the instructor wouldn't no or care where your bike is valid. It is a 125 that is all that matters.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 16 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Honestly I would put money that the instructor wouldn't no or care where your bike is valid. It is a 125 that is all that matters.


I'm almost certain that you're right, especially for a Honda - it's only Chinese imports that tend to claim just 90kph, and that's only because of Chinese regulations, not because they are that slow.

But people do occasionally get issued with surprise A1 licenses. So if your bike isn't listed, a quick phone call to the DSA office is better than gambling £75 on it.
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nisp
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 16 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

so quick phone call, job done.
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SweenyT
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 17 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nisp wrote:
so quick phone call, job done.


Could you let us know the outcome just so anyone else reading this and has the same bike can be in the know.
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blurredman
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

SweenyT wrote:
Nisp wrote:
so quick phone call, job done.


Could you let us know the outcome just so anyone else reading this and has the same bike can be in the know.



Sorry for the ressurection, but..

he shot off an e-mail and they said basically that it should be dyno'ed and then it would be to the examiners discretion.

So, with that in mind, plus the fact that the bike isn't on top form regarding idling issues and stuff.

he is doing it on my CG. he got added to the insurance for £30- because we're both with the same company Laughing


he did his module 1 and got it first time- his module 2 is in April- Again, he will use my bike.
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