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t101
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PostPosted: 04:23 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Small indicators - dangerous? Reply with quote

I snapped one of the indies off my bike. I want to replace them, and smaller aftermarket indicators cost the same, or less than used originals.

I'm sure loads of people are gonna jump in and have a go at me 'cos everyone loves tarty bits on their bikes.

It's a bit like the headlight covers, etc. though. They look cool, and I'm sure are fine if only ride your bike a couple of times a week(end), during the day, on nice roads and in nice weather. But I wouldn't want them on my bike all the time in a big city.

So this probably doesn't matter as much out in the country, or even in smaller towns, etc. But in London, there's a lot of a traffic, a lot of stopping and starting, and lots of changes of direction.

Are small indicators dangerous? They're smaller (obviously), sometimes a lot smaller; a lot of the time on shorter stalks so more tucked into bike, and not as bright(?)
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PostPosted: 05:03 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend Matt put an aftermarket set on his NSR. The rest of us thought it looked great, which is true, but after a blast down to Hastings and back we insisted he take them off as we just couldn't easily make out when he was indicating.

I vote to keep normal ones.
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PostPosted: 05:38 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have smaller indicators (arrow shaped) front and back, roughly about 5cm long by 2cm high.

Never had any issues with indicator visibility.

Sure as hell looks better than chunky stock things anyway!
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PostPosted: 06:38 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's the front i'd leave them standard. The small ones can be "lost" in the white glare from your headlights if they are close into the bike.
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thee quality of after market indicators can be a little questionable at times. The cheap led ones are are waste of time, they don't emit enough light during the day. I have a set of small arrow indicators which use 21w halogen bulbs and they are very good but cost around £60 a set.

If your biggest concern is visibility then stick with the giant originals.
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
The quality of after market indicators can be a little questionable at times. The cheap led ones are are waste of time, they don't emit enough light during the day. I have a set of small arrow indicators which use 21w halogen bulbs....

Same here. I've been using small arrow indicators on the back of the Bandit for the past 8-10 months, and I don't think they've ever caused me any concern. (I had them as surplus after stripping a previous bike, and used a pair when one of the originals developed a problem with one of its connectors)

TBH only one incident springs to mind, some months ago I was slowing down and indicating right, to turn in to my driveway when a car behind me overtook on the right (at a blind, right hand bend Shocked ) just as I was turning.
However I think it was more a case of an impatient, ignorant driver than my own visibility
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ONn many bikes, the bulky originals make great crash bungs!
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having bought a bike where the previous owner had fitted mini indicators the general verdict was they look great but are awful for people to see. I would stick to standard ones if I was given the choice. Even if they look 'gay'.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was surprised my GSXR still had stock ones on when i bought it, but i have decided to leave them to save me £££ and as i think they are more visible than the smaller ones i had on my previous bike
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do go for the smaller indicators, check what wattage bulbs they come with as standard.
I've bought a few sets, for various bikes, and they all came with 6W bulbs not much use if your bike needs 23W bulbs!
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cheap chinese LED ones I got off ebay were brighter than the standard ones and were generally bright
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, mine are brighter than the originals.

Mine are the Motrax Micro Arrow Indicators (AIN9).
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fitted mini indicators to a semi-bobber. Smoked lenses and all. Daft things, can hardly see them - I'd recommend going big and bling.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming home from work today and the biker infront had an all in one tail light and indicators, when he was breaking you couldn't tell he was indicating too! completely useless!

Personally I prefer stock to the after market as they are much easier to see which way your indicating day or night.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about some nicer looking OEM ones from another bike?
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever indys were fitted to my B1h were shit, my mates all told me during day time they could not tell if i was indicating, not ideal! admittedly they look great in comparison to originals

Though as donny said, originals make good bungs
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put the Halfords oval shaped ones on the back of my XJ, and they were really bright. Much brighter than the originals. 21 watt I think they are.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't go as far as dangerous tbh. Bigger indicators are obviously more visible, but most bike indicators are too small really, and bigger ones aren't too practical... and they all work good enough at night. If you want to be more safe during the day, instead of worrying about your indicators being a couple cm either way, just use good road positioning to show what you are going to do before you do it, and perhaps use hand signals in some cases too Thumbs Up

As for headlight covers, mini indicators ect looking chav, its totally the individual owners choice and can depend a lot on the character they want to give the bike, so I don't mind too much as long as they aren't seriously risking others in doing so (e.g removing all the lights and drive around country roads at night).
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, some of the mini indicators are fucking useless during the day. I see some of these sportsbikes with these tiddly little things on them, which give out a feeble pulse of light. No way a cager is going to see that.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: Small indicators - dangerous? Reply with quote

t101 wrote:
I snapped one of the indies off my bike. I want to replace them, and smaller aftermarket indicators cost the same, or less than used originals.

I'm sure loads of people are gonna jump in and have a go at me 'cos everyone loves tarty bits on their bikes.

It's a bit like the headlight covers, etc. though. They look cool, and I'm sure are fine if only ride your bike a couple of times a week(end), during the day, on nice roads and in nice weather. But I wouldn't want them on my bike all the time in a big city.

So this probably doesn't matter as much out in the country, or even in smaller towns, etc. But in London, there's a lot of a traffic, a lot of stopping and starting, and lots of changes of direction.

Are small indicators dangerous? They're smaller (obviously), sometimes a lot smaller; a lot of the time on shorter stalks so more tucked into bike, and not as bright(?)


Yes I would say so, they're far less obvious to drivers as they're smaller, usually not as orange and are from certain angles more concealed than the ones you'd have on your standard bike.
Why bother? Indicators are there for a reason just like your headlight and they should give clear signals, if they don't they're useless and a potential hazard.
I think cars with inset indicators are just as dangerous as is the trend with new car designs to position them centrally within the brake light cluster - you just don't notice them as clearly as you would with them in the normal place.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well to be fair i've fitted cheap Chinese ones off ebay and the ones i bought were brighter than the stock ones, nobody ever said that they couldn't see them. Just make sure they aren't low wattage ones and they can be seen fine.
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