Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


What is the life expactancy of brake fluid

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

calyx
World Chat Champion



Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:04 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: What is the life expactancy of brake fluid Reply with quote

Is it really 2 years?
____________________
Boris - London
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DrDonnyBrago
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Jan 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:13 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: What is the life expactancy of brake fluid Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Is it really 2 years?


You can get away with it for much longer, but it will absorb water which reduces it's boiling point and can promote corrosion inside the braking system.

It costs less than £10 for new fluid, do it every two years Thumbs Up .
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DANNYBOI
Two Stroke Sniffer



Joined: 06 May 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:39 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes 2 years and there bringing in a tester into car mots nextyear to test it
____________________
NSR YEHA
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Rogerborg
nimbA



Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:44 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DANNYBOI wrote:
Yes 2 years and there bringing in a tester into car mots nextyear to test it


Citation?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DANNYBOI
Two Stroke Sniffer



Joined: 06 May 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:27 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a we handheld machine the size of an ipod or sumit it has 3 lights same as traffic lights reds fail amber is fail/advisory its up to the tester and green is fine
____________________
NSR YEHA
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

c_dug
Super Spammer



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:55 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Says who? Is what Mr. Rogerborg means (and I was thinking)
____________________
I am a bellend, I am a man of constant sorrow, I am a gummy bear, I am a rock.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Raffles
World Chat Champion



Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:57 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been riding/driving for 34 years and I have always maintained (or paid someone else to maintain) my own vehicles. I have never periodically changed the brake fluid in any of my vehicles and I have never experienced any ill effects from my negligence to so do.
____________________
A good loser will always be a loser.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

calyx
World Chat Champion



Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 02:12 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
I've been riding/driving for 34 years and I have always maintained (or paid someone else to maintain) my own vehicles. I have never periodically changed the brake fluid in any of my vehicles and I have never experienced any ill effects from my negligence to so do.


Actually 10 years ago I used to do car racing (peugeot 306gti) and that kind of silly stuff. We used to change brake fluid every 1000 miles or so. (just for the sake of changing, no one knows the reason)
____________________
Boris - London
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Walloper
Super Spammer



Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:47 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Raffles wrote:
I've been riding/driving for 34 years and I have always maintained (or paid someone else to maintain) my own vehicles. I have never periodically changed the brake fluid in any of my vehicles and I have never experienced any ill effects from my negligence to so do.


Actually 10 years ago I used to do car racing (peugeot 306gti) and that kind of silly stuff. We used to change brake fluid every 1000 miles or so. (just for the sake of changing, no one knows the reason)


Because you can, that's why. Wink
____________________
W-ireless A-rtificial L-ifeform L-imited to O-bservation P-eacekeeping and E-fficient R-epair
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Walloper
Super Spammer



Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:59 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brake Fluuid manufacturers obviously weren't selling enough of the stuff.

Propaganda sells things. Laughing

Truthfully, nothing wrong with changine it. Nothing lasts for ever and simple measures can sometime prevent major catastrophies.
____________________
W-ireless A-rtificial L-ifeform L-imited to O-bservation P-eacekeeping and E-fficient R-epair
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ichy
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:52 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: What is the life expactancy of brake fluid Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Is it really 2 years?


All brake systems are open to the air, they have to be to let the fluid move. This means that moisture always has a way of getting in. The water tends to collect around moving parts, causing corrosion. Water contains hydrogen which when heated, by braking, converts to a gas so the braking system very slowly gets air in it. Air in the system reduces the effectiveness of the braking system.

Brake fluid does a bit more than most give it credit for. The composition of the fluid is created to actually disperse the water throughout the entire system, stopping it building up in one area. The concentration of water is shown by the colour of the fluid. It should start out as a golden colour, turn light brown and eventually, once there is enough water, it goes dark brown.

The Department of Transport in America decided that its takes about two years for the fluid to take on enough water that it needs changing, so that's what manufacturers stuck in the specification and, therefore, the bike manufacturers put in the service manuals.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

neil.
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:18 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the sake of a few pounds and an hour or so of time, you may as well flush it every 2 years. Manufacturers also recommend you replace rubber hoses and master cylinder internals every 4 years as well but that's another debate altogether... Wink
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

DANNYBOI
Two Stroke Sniffer



Joined: 06 May 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:46 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have seen it last quite a wile but at the end of the day its all down to cash i have used the brake fluid tester myself i will try to get picks for you all but im just giving you a heads up change it or dont change it its not me who will fail mot for the sake of 3 pound and a bit of time
____________________
NSR YEHA
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

DANNYBOI
Two Stroke Sniffer



Joined: 06 May 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:47 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.google.co.uk/images?q=brake+fluid+tester&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GZAZ_en&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1276&bih=715
____________________
NSR YEHA
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Robby
Dirty Old Man



Joined: 16 May 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:01 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it every 2 years. It's extremely easy to change brake fluid.

It gradually loses its effectiveness over time, and you will only notice this loss of effectiveness when you are having to work the brakes really hard and get them really hot, like on a high speed emergency stop or hard, fast ride with lots of heavy braking. So you'll have no brakes when you really need them.

The moisture absorbed also promotes corrosion. Seeing as caliper bits on bike corrode far too easily anyway, changing the brake fluid more often means stripping and cleaning the calipers less often. Stripping and cleaning the calipers is far harder than changing the fluid.

It costs a fiver for enough fluid to do a full change on a bike. Do it.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Skudd
Super Spammer



Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:13 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
It's extremely easy to change brake fluid.
.


On linked brakes with ABS it is a pain in the arse.
____________________
Famous last words of Humpty Dumpty. " Stop pushing me "
Petty Anarchists look at "1984".............. The Visionary looks at "Animal Farm".
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

weasley
World Chat Champion



Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:51 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are the threads of truth in here, but the science is a bit mixed up.

Conventional brake fluid is made largely from a glycol-based compound - water is soluble in this compound so, over time (as described), water gets absorbed into the fluid.

The main problem this causes is a lowering of the boiling point of the fluid. This is a problem because, under use, a brake fluid can get quite hot (in/around the caliper). If the boiling point of the brake fluid is too low then the fluid will boil, thus introducing a gas into the brake system (not air or hydrogen but gaseous water). Gases are compressible whereas liquids are (effectively) not. Having a compressible gas in the fluid means that the pressure you apply at the lever/pedal goes into compressing the gas rather than moving the caliper/drum piston. Hence you get a spongy feeling and no retardation. This can be anything from annoying to lethal.

As soon as you break the seal on a bottle of brake fluid it is open to the atmosphere, which is full of water (humidity). Over time the fluid will absorb enough water to lower the boiling point enough to be dangerous. The only way to be sure of a specific system's fluid composition is to use a fluid tester (which will determine the boiling point) but since we don't all have one then the limit of 2 years is set. Given the safety implications of the braking system, this is deliberately conservative.

During a brake fluid testing programme where I work (employees were all given the chance to have the fluid in their cars checked) around 25% of cars tested had fluid in a dangerous condition. Under normal driving/riding, it won't show up as we tend not to hammer the brakes hard on the road. However, in an emergency stop you might realise, too late, that the fluid is overdue a change.

Also, once a bottle of fluid is opened, the timer is ticking - I only ever use freshly-opened brake fluid, never any that has been opened and left on a shelf in the garage.

Finally, all this is irrelevant if you use silicone fluid - this does not absorb water at all so the boiling point remains largely stable over time. However, water can still get into the system but rather than being absorbed by the fluid, it stays as free water and, being denser than the silicone fluid, tends to pool in the low points of the brake system, like the calipers. This free water can be very corrosive as well as potentially boiling when heated. You can only use silicone fluid if the seals in your brakes are compatible though, and all glycol fluid has to be completely flushed out. Silicone fluid tends to be used in racing rather than on the road.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Paxovasa
World Chat Champion



Joined: 25 Apr 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:58 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: What is the life expactancy of brake fluid Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Is it really 2 years?


No.

It is in actual fact, 1 year, 8 months, 27 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes and 17 seconds. Although some can last another few minutes. Wink
____________________
Suzuki GSF600 K3 (in the fastest colour, black).
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Raffles
World Chat Champion



Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:28 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: What is the life expactancy of brake fluid Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
calyx wrote:
Is it really 2 years?


No.

It is in actual fact, 1 year, 8 months, 27 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes and 17 seconds. Although some can last another few minutes. Wink

What happens if it's a leap year?
____________________
A good loser will always be a loser.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Paxovasa
World Chat Champion



Joined: 25 Apr 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:30 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: What is the life expactancy of brake fluid Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Paxovasa wrote:

No.

It is in actual fact, 1 year, 8 months, 27 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes and 17 seconds. Although some can last another few minutes. Wink

What happens if it's a leap year?


Then you reduce it by a day Rolling Eyes Wink
____________________
Suzuki GSF600 K3 (in the fastest colour, black).
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 15 years, 224 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.11 Sec - Server Load: 1.76 - MySQL Queries: 13 - Page Size: 109.79 Kb