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Brake Fluuid manufacturers obviously weren't selling enough of the stuff.
Propaganda sells things.
Truthfully, nothing wrong with changine it. Nothing lasts for ever and simple measures can sometime prevent major catastrophies. ____________________ W-ireless A-rtificial L-ifeform L-imited to O-bservation P-eacekeeping and E-fficient R-epair |
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| calyx wrote: | Is it really 2 years? |
All brake systems are open to the air, they have to be to let the fluid move. This means that moisture always has a way of getting in. The water tends to collect around moving parts, causing corrosion. Water contains hydrogen which when heated, by braking, converts to a gas so the braking system very slowly gets air in it. Air in the system reduces the effectiveness of the braking system.
Brake fluid does a bit more than most give it credit for. The composition of the fluid is created to actually disperse the water throughout the entire system, stopping it building up in one area. The concentration of water is shown by the colour of the fluid. It should start out as a golden colour, turn light brown and eventually, once there is enough water, it goes dark brown.
The Department of Transport in America decided that its takes about two years for the fluid to take on enough water that it needs changing, so that's what manufacturers stuck in the specification and, therefore, the bike manufacturers put in the service manuals. |
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For the sake of a few pounds and an hour or so of time, you may as well flush it every 2 years. Manufacturers also recommend you replace rubber hoses and master cylinder internals every 4 years as well but that's another debate altogether...  |
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There are the threads of truth in here, but the science is a bit mixed up.
Conventional brake fluid is made largely from a glycol-based compound - water is soluble in this compound so, over time (as described), water gets absorbed into the fluid.
The main problem this causes is a lowering of the boiling point of the fluid. This is a problem because, under use, a brake fluid can get quite hot (in/around the caliper). If the boiling point of the brake fluid is too low then the fluid will boil, thus introducing a gas into the brake system (not air or hydrogen but gaseous water). Gases are compressible whereas liquids are (effectively) not. Having a compressible gas in the fluid means that the pressure you apply at the lever/pedal goes into compressing the gas rather than moving the caliper/drum piston. Hence you get a spongy feeling and no retardation. This can be anything from annoying to lethal.
As soon as you break the seal on a bottle of brake fluid it is open to the atmosphere, which is full of water (humidity). Over time the fluid will absorb enough water to lower the boiling point enough to be dangerous. The only way to be sure of a specific system's fluid composition is to use a fluid tester (which will determine the boiling point) but since we don't all have one then the limit of 2 years is set. Given the safety implications of the braking system, this is deliberately conservative.
During a brake fluid testing programme where I work (employees were all given the chance to have the fluid in their cars checked) around 25% of cars tested had fluid in a dangerous condition. Under normal driving/riding, it won't show up as we tend not to hammer the brakes hard on the road. However, in an emergency stop you might realise, too late, that the fluid is overdue a change.
Also, once a bottle of fluid is opened, the timer is ticking - I only ever use freshly-opened brake fluid, never any that has been opened and left on a shelf in the garage.
Finally, all this is irrelevant if you use silicone fluid - this does not absorb water at all so the boiling point remains largely stable over time. However, water can still get into the system but rather than being absorbed by the fluid, it stays as free water and, being denser than the silicone fluid, tends to pool in the low points of the brake system, like the calipers. This free water can be very corrosive as well as potentially boiling when heated. You can only use silicone fluid if the seals in your brakes are compatible though, and all glycol fluid has to be completely flushed out. Silicone fluid tends to be used in racing rather than on the road. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 15 years, 224 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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