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 kingsknight World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 18:50 - 05 Dec 2010 Post subject: He didn't take my advice :-( |
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My cousin just brought a 60 plate SKYJET SJ-23 with 200miles on the clock for £650
How long till I get a call telling me he has broken down? I told the prick to go no way near it! I feel bad because I kinda told him to get himself a bike to get to work on!
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Looks alright but I just know there are going to be nothing but problems with it! I'm just praying he is a ultra mega lucky one and it is fine! He is going to be travelling 20miles a day on it!
I got a knot in my tummy because he hasn't got much money and I just know he is going to waste £650 on a bike which will let him down! ____________________ TS50 (sold) NS125F (sold) NSR125R-K (write off after 2 crashes) CG125 (nicked) XR125L-3 (Sold )-: ) DR125SM '11 (sold yay) XL125V '12 (In love with this bike) XT600E '04 (fun on the dirt) |
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Hoping he'll be one of the lucky ones, but I think I'll pull up a chair and wait for the inevitable...  ____________________ 1st bike (Sept'06 - May'10) : 1991 GPZ500S / Current bike (since Nov 2009) : 2003 Suzuki Bandit 600N
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It not inevitable, just likely. A lot of the problem is that they do require the owner to stay on top of the maintenance but this rarely happens since they are brought by cheapskates or new riders
The two at the training school are getting on for 4-5 years old. Used and abused regularly for CBT and DAS training. Rarely any problem with them. |
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I know I'm going to get the call  ____________________ TS50 (sold) NS125F (sold) NSR125R-K (write off after 2 crashes) CG125 (nicked) XR125L-3 (Sold )-: ) DR125SM '11 (sold yay) XL125V '12 (In love with this bike) XT600E '04 (fun on the dirt) |
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Kymco are fine, then I'd go for Dihao bikes - branded as Huoniao or Haotian and some Lifan/Skygo models. Skyjet, well, cross your fingers.
The engines - the standard 156/167FMI pushrod based on the CG125 engine - are robust, if low powered, and the carbs tend to be fine - Japanese designed Deni or Mikuni. However, the exhaust studs are prone to shearing.
Other than that, there's just the usual issues: loose fasteners, rust and erratic electrics. The actual parts are OK, but the looms tend to work loose or get pinched.
Try to persuade him to go over it carefully and LocTite / spring washer / nyloc nut any connector that's not secure. Expect to have to fix a few loose connectors in the loom, for the chain to go slacker than a welfare cockholster's babytube, and for at least one bearing or bush to die prematurely.
You can keep on top of the maintenance, and end up with a decent, reliable, bike after replacing any bad bits, but you need to go in with open eyes, or else you'll end up as just another "CHINESE BIKES SUUUUUUUUCK!" poster on ReviewCentre.. |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Kymco are fine, then I'd go for Dihao bikes - branded as Huoniao or Haotian and some Lifan/Skygo models. Skyjet, well, cross your fingers.
The engines - the standard 156/167FMI pushrod based on the CG125 engine - are robust, if low powered, and the carbs tend to be fine - Japanese designed Deni or Mikuni. However, the exhaust studs are prone to shearing.
Other than that, there's just the usual issues: loose fasteners, rust and erratic electrics. The actual parts are OK, but the looms tend to work loose or get pinched.
Try to persuade him to go over it carefully and LocTite / spring washer / nyloc nut any connector that's not secure. Expect to have to fix a few loose connectors in the loom, for the chain to go slacker than a welfare cockholster's babytube, and for at least one bearing or bush to die prematurely.
You can keep on top of the maintenance, and end up with a decent, reliable, bike after replacing any bad bits, but you need to go in with open eyes, or else you'll end up as just another "CHINESE BIKES SUUUUUUUUCK!" poster on ReviewCentre.. |
This may not be the thread for it, but after you've gone through all the above, what's the point? Are further replacement parts, insurance, etc cheaper or something - is there any point buying a bike that essentially MUST be stripped and rebuilt to be safe? At risk of sounding like a grumpy old man - why not just buy some oldish commuter Japanese bike as it seems far less likely to develop a dangerous fault (isn't a bearing giving up the ghost suddenly likely to have you off? what about these here frames or whatever falling apart in use?) I'm all for saving money at the expense of time (can't think of many situations where you can have both ), but is anyone able to explain if it is possible to actually be on a winner with this cheap chinese bike malarcky? Is there something more to it, or is it really just a big lottery for cheapasses?
Edit: I'm aware you did tell your mate this stuff, i'm just curious as to whether it really is a case of the chinese thing having a business model based purely on knocking out a load of crap for a quick buck because some people don't do their homework before buying, or not. ____________________ -- Ingah |
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a mate of mine has had a sky jet now for 2yrs with no probs at all.the only thing he did was remove nuts and bolts and apply a bit of thread lock.they are one of the good chinese bikes.goods spares supply on e-bay as well....  |
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Given the mileage theres every chance it's still got the original pisswater they try to pass off as oil in it. I'd be doing oil/filters pronto as a precaution  ____________________ 2010 Triumph 1050 Sprint ST |
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| Ingah wrote: | This may not be the thread for it, but after you've gone through all the above, what's the point? |
To be clear I'm not suggesting that all of the above will go wrong, just that it's more likely that something will go wrong, and that a bit of preventative checking - basically doing your own PDI - can nip problems in the bud, for minimum cost.
My Huoniao has been great. 2 years in, a blown indicator bulb is the sum total of the issues. The chain stretched a lot from new, but has settled down. Other than that, I can't think of anything that's gone wrong that I didn't cause myself through deliberate fiddling.
Then again, you might get one where the frame cracks within a month, but I think that's becoming less likely. It's the offroad-stylee bikes that seem to have the brunt of the issues. |
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moast chinese bikes use the 156fmi engine the newer skyjets use the 156fm2 engines althogh it is generaly the same engine unfortunately you lose a lot of midrange due to the carb setup you want it changeing to a mikuni 30mm as the one thatsa on it is rediculously small
go to mypurerush.com and get the mikuni 30mm for something like 20 quid well worth it also the inlets are made of crappy ruber so i sugest investing in an ally one
if looked after properly a chinese bike will last a lifetime the 156fmi or evan the fm2 engine's are sound however be wary of the electricals
also if your feeling slow all the chinese bikes use the same engine well some use slightly differnt but the main thing is that the 150 or evan 200cc cylinder's and heads fit perfectly onto the 125cc bottom end if he does happen to have any issuse's though hit me up with a pm i have a spare engine and a shedloads of other spares he can take a pick at for the price of a pack of fags also i fully agree with going round and checking every nut and bolt thourghly these bike like to vibrate and not in the good way
cheers lonie ____________________ 1995-ZX6R F1
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Thanks for that mate! I know where to come for parts now  ____________________ TS50 (sold) NS125F (sold) NSR125R-K (write off after 2 crashes) CG125 (nicked) XR125L-3 (Sold )-: ) DR125SM '11 (sold yay) XL125V '12 (In love with this bike) XT600E '04 (fun on the dirt) |
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i had one for over 3 years now and to be honest it is a honest little motor, rarely lets me down though other than what lonie said i would advise putting tubes in the tyres they are prone to bead leaking, keep an eye on them fix any problems promptly and you should never have a problem,
on another note these chinese bikes are quite tuneable if you know how and though you will never get anywhere near 2 smoke speeds mine will hit 75-80 mph on a good day ____________________ "WHAT DO YOU MEAN 100 MPH THATS IMPOSSIBLE Its chinese OFFICER."
Current rides CB 125 TDE(the next project) NS125RK ( now on the road ) CB125TDC (soon to be project 17) melody ( the nephews ) |
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Aside from the terrible font choice it's a nice looking bike. However, I wish I'd have found this forum before buying mine last month - but I'm stuck with it for a while now!
A few of the problems I've had in the last 4 weeks:
Nuts worked themselves loose from the exhaust gasket
Bolts which hold the exhaust to the frame disappeared!
Sometimes a real bastard to start (from warm), can spend a while trying to kick-start, electric start and twiddling with the switches to make it look like I know what I'm doing and then 2 mins later it'll spring into life - VERY frustrating!
Cut out a few days ago (probably water in carb) but got going again after about 40 mins
Key got jammed in petrol cap while filling up - MASS PANIC as I couldn't ride off without the key! Through sheer luck I was actually carrying the spare key in bag (don't normally ride with my bag so was very lucky to have it on me!). Tried to get key out but it had mis-shapen due to the ultra-soft metal the chinks use for their keys. Ended up having to fork out £60 for a full replacement locking cap, ignition switch and under seat lock - first thing I did was to get a decent set of keys cut at timpsons.
Chain came loose and jammed the rear wheel - this was an area I'd neglected so it's completely my fault - I'd ridden for about 2500 miles without glancing at the chain except to spray a bit of GT85 on it every now and then. Didn't realise it needed checking at least every 300 miles. The tension was way out - it had about 4 inches of slack! Adjusted on the swing arm as far as it would go so may have to get a bigger sprocket if it needs re-tensioning next time. Again, probably something to do with the soft metal the chinks use - it expands a hell of a lot!
Other than those problems, not much else to report on my own Skyjet!!! (til next time!) Heheh
On a plus, I get about 90mpg from Shell V-power, 82mpg on Tesco Momentum stuff (compared to 20mpg in the Volvo I got rid of) so provided I don't have to constantly fork out for spare parts I should save myself a shit load of notes which will be going in the big bike fund
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 15 years, 212 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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