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PostPosted: 23:28 - 11 Dec 2010    Post subject: Kindle Reply with quote

Anyone got one? If so what're your opinions of it?

I'm thinking of getting my sister the WiFi version for xmas.

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PostPosted: 00:02 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice screen for easy reading., Good battery life. However, I personally would invest in one of the 7inch Android tablets for the same price. Does the same job, but more.... Only down side is battery life.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Storage Options 7" tablet is my other possible choice.

The ereaders are far better for reading outdoors than anything with an LCD screen though.

I have a Sony reader which uses the same screen as the Kindle and the display quality is now excellent.

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PostPosted: 11:24 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got one a couple of weeks ago. Couple of hours later I had my entire physical collection on the Kindle from various sites.

Got to say the best thing is the screen. I absolutely can't read for a prolonged period of time from an LCD screen like the tablets/iPads. The e-ink screen on the Kindle is just like paper. In fact I thought it had a sheet of cardboard over it when it was delivered but it was the actual screen.

Only annoying thing is the screen saver - photos of old dead writers that you can't change.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes there awesome! my dad got one for his hols and ive borrwed it to. he got the 3g version with wifi. he could download books when he was in thailand with no wifi, took about 30 seconds. shit hot thingst they are. kindle FTW
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

daesimps wrote:


Only annoying thing is the screen saver - photos of old dead writers that you can't change.


There is a hack for it but not sure I'd want to do that on a new device.

The Sony lets you choose your own screensaver btw.

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PostPosted: 13:27 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

daesimps wrote:

Got to say the best thing is the screen. I absolutely can't read for a prolonged period of time from an LCD screen like the tablets/iPads. The e-ink screen on the Kindle is just like paper. In fact I thought it had a sheet of cardboard over it when it was delivered but it was the actual screen.


My Sony PRS-350 replaced the PRS-300 one I got 6 months ago and thought I'd lost (it had fallen down the side of the passenger seat in my car).

The difference in screen quality between the two is very noticeable. The new generation "Pearl" e-ink screens are so much better than the previous ones.

I bought a proper daylight reading lamp to use with my PRS-300 in the evenings. I don't need it at all with the PRS-350.

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PostPosted: 13:40 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't bother getting an android tablet, imo: the whole point of an e-book reader is the e-ink screen, which means you can read for hours and hours and not get eye strain. You won't be able to manage that on a low resolution LCD screen. If you're not gonna use it as an e-book reader, there's little point having a tablet. May as well get a netbook and not restrict yourself as to what you can do with the thing.

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The new kindles are very, very good. Battery life is so long that you don't really need to worry about it so long as you stick it on charge once every few weeks or so. Not a lot more I can say about it really. Reading is fairly intuitive and unremarkable once you get over the initial novelty. No real gripes.

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I am an eternal cheapskate and avowed bibliophile and so, personally, couldn't stand to replace all my lovely old books. For that reason, I haven't bought one.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pwntifex wrote:
Don't bother getting an android tablet, imo: the whole point of an e-book reader is the e-ink screen, which means you can read for hours and hours and not get eye strain. You won't be able to manage that on a low resolution LCD screen. If you're not gonna use it as an e-book reader, there's little point having a tablet. May as well get a netbook and not restrict yourself as to what you can do with the thing.


The advantage of a tablet over a netbook would be the instant on and the touch screen.

I think reading indoors would be ok (I use to use a HP iPaq with no real problems).

I agree that for just reading books there's no comparison and the e-ink screens win hands down.

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PostPosted: 14:23 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check that she likes the idea first. Personally I would never use one, I am a big reader but the idea of an e book makes me angry I would rather have normal books.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 12 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Check that she likes the idea first. Personally I would never use one, I am a big reader but the idea of an e book makes me angry I would rather have normal books.


Why does it make you angry?

Smaller and lighter than a normal book, the screens as good as paper (better than old paperbacks) and you can carry several books around with you.

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PostPosted: 00:09 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea, I just really hate the idea of them, I just like books, I like turning pages not swiping my finger. Another thing is you would have to get your favourite books over again. It would be like buying an itunes track when you already have the CD. It would be a good Idea if Amazon gave you all the books free on kindle you have ever bought through them. Thumbs Up I do like the idea of being able to use 3g for free across the globe that is a nice touch.

How open is it? can you put any pdf's on it? I might be handy for bike manuals.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking of one of these for myself and as an Xmas gift.

Trouble is the person I'd be buying for is dyslexic (why is that so hard to spell?) and finds reading black text on white paper difficult.

So, is there any option to have white text on black background or black text on colour background?

I have looked through the amazon site and couldn't find an option so suspect not unless there is a hack.

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PostPosted: 01:32 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Thinking of one of these for myself and as an Xmas gift.

Trouble is the person I'd be buying for is dyslexic (why is that so hard to spell?) and finds reading black text on white paper difficult.

So, is there any option to have white text on black background or black text on colour background?

I have looked through the amazon site and couldn't find an option so suspect not unless there is a hack.

Thanks Thumbs Up


I just ordered one.

The e-ink screens used in the Kindle and Sony are black on white only.

Maybe they'd work with a coloured overlay on the screen.

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PostPosted: 09:26 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the storage capacity of these things?

I'd have to test drive one for a few days I think, I have like 20gb of ebooks that I've downloaded over the years but never get round to reading them as it means sitting at the computer, which obviously isn't ideal.

In my work I also have to regularly read many journal papers, and I always find it preferable to print them out as it makes them easier to read and scan through and find any relevant information, but if the Kindle is as good as they say I might be a worthwhile endeavour.

Can you upload your own PDFs or is it some shit iTunes setup where you can only out in what you've bought through iKindle or some crap like that?

Also.....£120 is a fucking pisstake just for something that let's you read PDFs, this is the biggest turnoff for me, seriously how can they justify that price?

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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
What's the storage capacity of these things?

I'd have to test drive one for a few days I think, I have like 20gb of ebooks that I've downloaded over the years but never get round to reading them as it means sitting at the computer, which obviously isn't ideal.

In my work I also have to regularly read many journal papers, and I always find it preferable to print them out as it makes them easier to read and scan through and find any relevant information, but if the Kindle is as good as they say I might be a worthwhile endeavour.

Can you upload your own PDFs or is it some shit iTunes setup where you can only out in what you've bought through iKindle or some crap like that?

Also.....£120 is a fucking pisstake just for something that let's you read PDFs, this is the biggest turnoff for me, seriously how can they justify that price?

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Capacity varies.

My 5" Sony has 2Gb - enough to carry hundreds of books around with you.

The 6" Sony has an SD card slot so unlimited storage.

The Kindle has 4Gb which they say is enough for around 3500 books.

I use the excellent freeware package, Calibre, to manage the books on my Sony (download covers, transfer to and from pc etc.
Calibre also supports the Kindle.

Ebook readers don't just read PDFs. They support several file formats of which PDF is just one.

Sony is more open than Kindle (one reason I didn't buy a Kindle for myself).

Sony's PDF handling is supposedly slicker than Kindle's.

As for price you can buy cheaper ones but they'll be LCD screen technology.

e-ink screen technology is relatively new and you will pay for that. Also you'll pay a premium for branding.
Some readers also double as mp3 players.

The Kindle is £109, not £120.
The 5" Sony is £160 but is a touchscreen and is made of aluminium, not plastic.
The 6" Sony is almost £200.

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PostPosted: 10:54 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

funmonkee wrote:
Very nice screen for easy reading., Good battery life. However, I personally would invest in one of the 7inch Android tablets for the same price. Does the same job, but more.... Only down side is battery life.


Problem with that is Android 2.1 / 2.2 is not designed for tablets, am yet to read a really positive review of a Android based tablet, the Samsung Galaxy Tab gets ok but not great for the price.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is also the iriver e-reader that waterstones are selling now, less drm and expandable memory
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other half bought one for her mum.


Very good product. Thumbs Up


Only downside however is that the price between books can vary alot.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 13 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveJPS wrote:
there is also the iriver e-reader that waterstones are selling now, less drm and expandable memory


I think this still uses the previous generation e-ink screen.

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PostPosted: 16:12 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than start another Kindle thread I thought I'd ask my query on this one Very Happy

It relates to DRM on the Kindle format books.
If there is more than one Kindle in the family, or come to that among a group of friends, can you swap and share the ebooks much like you'd do with the paper versions or are they locked to a specific Kindle that they were downloaded for?

I'm hoping not locked to a Kindle, particularly as you can download a Kindle reader software for PC, Macs and Phones so would have thought you can read the same book on that medium as well as a real Kindle.

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PostPosted: 16:37 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
It relates to DRM on the Kindle format books.
If there is more than one Kindle in the family, or come to that among a group of friends, can you swap and share the ebooks much like you'd do with the paper versions or are they locked to a specific Kindle that they were downloaded for?


I looked into this as I have the Kindle program on my phone. Basically, as long as you register all the Kindles to the same Amazon account, you can access your whole library from any of them. More info here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_rel_topic?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200487980
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pernig wrote:
I looked into this...as long as you register all the Kindles to the same Amazon account, you can access your whole library from any of them. More info here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_rel_topic?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200487980

Ah!
Thank you for the link.

Sadly it's a no then...
Amazon wrote:
Sharing Kindle Content
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The purchase and download of digital content from Amazon.co.uk, including content from the Kindle Store, is associated with the Amazon.co.uk account used to make the original purchase. As a result, Kindle content cannot be shared like a physical book.
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You can enjoy Kindle books and other content on any Kindle device you own or Kindle application you've downloaded as long you've registered each device and application to the Amazon.co.uk account where your Kindle library is stored.

I suspect we may register family Kindles to one amazon account so in theory can share that content (as we own the Kindle devices and Kindle applications). In terms of sharing between friends it's a no (unless I guess you physically swap Kindles).

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PostPosted: 20:15 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
In terms of sharing between friends it's a no (unless I guess you physically swap Kindles).


I guess if you were close friends you could just purchase all the books for the same account. Maybe Amazon would twig onto this though. Also not ideal as you would have each others' card details.
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