Police pursuits and bikes

[byke95]

This goes on from Ste's post. Running from the police is one thing, but dealing with the consequences is another...

I Heard on the news last night that an investigation has been launched into an incident where a motorbike crashed into a lamppost after being pursued by the police, killing the pillion passenger and seriously injuring the rider. The investigation into wanting to determine if the 'chase' caused the accident.

I personally think if you're going to run from the police you should be pursued (within obvious safety limits in built up areas). If you then crash and kill yourself, it was your choice, not the fault of the police.

However this instance had a pillion on the back, should the police have backed off thinking this chase will endanger an 'innocent' or should they still chase - after all the pillion deceided to put their life in the hands of the rider (as all pillion do each time they climb on the back of a bike).

Anyone got any thoughts on this? Whatever, this rider will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life, I hope it weighs heavy on his mind....

[Dusty]

I don't think the police should pursue bikes as closely as they sometimes do, even if there is no pillion the bike could still hit pedestrians or another vehicle etc. From what I've seen on these police chase programs, the riders often panicks simply because they have no insurance, tax or have been banned in the past. Now although these are fairly serious offences I personally don't think they are worth putting the public at risk over.

I'm not saying the police shouldn't pursue bikes, just that I think they should do it at a bit of a distance, so as too not pressure the rider to the degree that they make it likely that they will crash. Also if there is a helicopter available I think the ground units should back right off and let the chopper crew guide them in for arrests once the rider has stopped the bike.
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If someone is stupid enough to run from the cops i think they have reason to use all and every means available to them to bring the person to justice.


so then the judge can give them a pathetic jail service!
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[dodsi]

...or a jolly good ticking off

all the police have to do is get the plates, and go to his house, as he thinks it will be clear, therefore not chasing the guy not putting him or her in danger for a £40 tax disc or something daft

unless its something serious,

check what spanish police did after a bank robbery...



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Fair point(s). And I do agree with you about the endangerment aspect.

Still think that, going back to Ste's original post, it comes down to why you are running though.

If you are banned for whatever reason and you decide to ride anyway, that is your decision to make. If you get spotted you must be prepared to live with the consequences - you took the risk. If you run from the police to get away & save your own neck, IMO it is once again you who is endangering Joe Public, not the plod. Vehicular manslaughter if it goes pear-shaped, anyone?

But no, the police shouldn't close chase in those circumstances. (Do they? I know we've got a couple of ex or serving officers of the law on here somewhere). They should however be waiting on your doorstep when you get home!
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riding without tax invalidates your insurance, so you are not insured.

Riding while banned means you are not insured.

Running from the police is just stupid.

They cannot just turn up at your door, because the bike may well be stolen, they have to try and catch the rider.

If you are banned, untaxed, whatever, then face it like an adult. Don't whinge, cry, or try to make excuses.

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[quote="byke95"]I personally think if you're going to run from the police you should be pursued (within obvious safety limits in built up areas). If you then crash and kill yourself, it was your choice, not the fault of the police.

However this instance had a pillion on the back, should the police have backed off thinking this chase will endanger an 'innocent' or should they still chase - after all the pillion deceided to put their life in the hands of the rider (as all pillion do each time they climb on the back of a bike). [quote]

I think the police are screwed on this one. Damned if they chase them, damned if they don't.

Every police chase is different, so it should be left to the officer in pursuit to decide.

And whatever their decision is, somebody will disagree.

'The officer was right to call off the pursuit. It was in the middle of a town centre on a Saturday afternoon'

'Bollocks to that. It was my bike they had nicked and he just let them get away'

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[Ste]

Police are right in following you and wanting to stop you if there is the need to, but they should stop chasing you when it starts getting too dangerous. The only problem with if they adopt that policy is all you have to do to stop the police chasing you is ride a little dangerously and they will then stop. So if I was already running from the police, I wouldn't be too bothered about doing something which they view as dangerous if I knew it would stop them from chasing me.

So if they choose to chase then they are going into the risk of the rider crashing and them being blamed, or the rider crashing and causing injuries to others and the police again being blamed by people saying they shouldn't have chased. But it wouldn't really work at all if they just said "If you ride dangerously then we won't chase you" as it's just like a get out of jail free card. Catch 22 really for the police.

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