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PostPosted: 21:54 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: I need to read! Reply with quote
Okay so I am only 16 and hopefully going to make a lifetime out of biking. I have grown up with bikes (mainly 2 strokes) so know a few things but obviously not as much as I want to. I hardly know anything about 4 strokes!

I know the internet is a good way to find out but I wondered if there are any books you can recommend that would help me learn? Preferably separate books for 2 and 4 stroke?

Some of you may say just read a manual but that tells you how to do stuff instead of why. I will hopefully be getting a project bike next summer if funds permit and I have passed both bike and car tests.

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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=17991&storeId=10001

I got this for Christmas. Sounds like the kind of thing you're after.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
dunno about books but id say youll learn so much more from practicle, so as you said about a project bike. if your were to get a 4 stroke project bike you will learn a hell of alot from simply working on it.

i would of thought theres plenty of books on 2 and 4 stroke mechanics etc etc, but i cant recomend any im afraid.


i would advise doing your bike test before car if its down to choosing because of money, mainly because bikes are just so much more fun Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
the above book looks good Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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dunno about books but id say youll learn so much more from practicle, so as you said about a project bike. if your were to get a 4 stroke project bike you will learn a hell of alot from simply working on it.

i would of thought theres plenty of books on 2 and 4 stroke mechanics etc etc, but i cant recomend any im afraid.


i would advise doing your bike test before car if its down to choosing because of money, mainly because bikes are just so much more fun Very Happy


Doing that anyway cos 1. Yes they are more fun Laughing 2. Waiting for the 2 years to run out and 3. 50 is too slow Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
50s are too slow, but just stay on it untill youve done your test and then get a restricted 4/600 Thumbs Up dont bother with 125s. unless its for a project bike of course, plenty of 125 project bikes available
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Capt Castle wrote:
https://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=17991&storeId=10001

I got this for Christmas. Sounds like the kind of thing you're after.


You, sir, are a legend! Much karma to you Karma

And it says for engineers, well thats where I am looking at going. Not just looking at how engines work for biking but is good background knowledge for a job.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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50s are too slow, but just stay on it untill youve done your test and then get a restricted 4/600 Thumbs Up dont bother with 125s. unless its for a project bike of course, plenty of 125 project bikes available


IMO they are actually dangerous. I mean not just for me but others too. Im 6'1, weigh like nearly 16 stone and the bike weighs a tonne! Its ridiculous.

Nah, hopefully looking at a bandit 600 as I could sell my bike for around a grand. Hopefully getting a job so that should pay for my licence and insurance, restrictions etc. Dunno if I should restrict it though :/

Steering off the thread a bit here but what is a good mileage, medium, and high/watch what your buying here? Anyone know what bandits are like for reliability?

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
id personally go for a hornet over a bandit, not on looks but the general build of the bike etc.

mileage is abit of a grey area, its more due to the condition of the bike, id personally be happy up to 30k, after than id probably try looking for one with lower mileage. but as i said, depends if its obvisouly been ragged and not looked after etc, the general condition is more of a sign than milege

i would get it restricted, at least for few months untill your used to it. althought a bandit is not particularly powerful bike, it will be one massive jump from a 50 so you should be sensible. so yeah, i would restrict it at least for some time untill your used to it mate.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
clancy wrote:
id personally go for a hornet over a bandit, not on looks but the general build of the bike etc.

mileage is abit of a grey area, its more due to the condition of the bike, id personally be happy up to 30k, after than id probably try looking for one with lower mileage. but as i said, depends if its obvisouly been ragged and not looked after etc, the general condition is more of a sign than milege

i would get it restricted, at least for few months untill your used to it. althought a bandit is not particularly powerful bike, it will be one massive jump from a 50 so you should be sensible. so yeah, i would restrict it at least for some time untill your used to it mate.


Im after something a bit cheaper really. Bandits can be picked up for under a grand. The power doesnt bother me. I think I could handle it. Most of the time it would only be me just plodding to school anyway. By the time I get to school the bike would be at temp anyway Laughing

And as people say, the bike only goes as fast as you twist the throttle.

The police arent big down here and I have a mate who has an unrestricted cbr400rr but I am worried if I get caught... Dad reckons it would be alright but I havent explained the ins and outs to him fully but he was like yeah it would be fine just take it easy.

Not saying I am going to but would they check if I crashed? As in dyno the bike if I hit someone? And what are the fines/points?

Cheers! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
HD wrote:

Im after something a bit cheaper really. Bandits can be picked up for under a grand. The power doesnt bother me. I think I could handle it. Most of the time it would only be me just plodding to school anyway. By the time I get to school the bike would be at temp anyway Laughing

And as people say, the bike only goes as fast as you twist the throttle.

The police arent big down here and I have a mate who has an unrestricted cbr400rr but I am worried if I get caught... Dad reckons it would be alright but I havent explained the ins and outs to him fully but he was like yeah it would be fine just take it easy.

Not saying I am going to but would they check if I crashed? As in dyno the bike if I hit someone? And what are the fines/points?

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true, bandits are cheaper and it is down to you about how much throttle you give it. you just need to take it easy at first as it will be quick.

if you were to crash, insurance would more than likely check that it is restricted. if it isnt, your insurance wont pay out, and if the police press charges which they more than likely will, it would be driving with no insurance. which is 6 points i believe, may be 3 but pretty sure its 6. if it is 6 then youll get banned for 2 years and have to re do your test.

where abouts do you live?
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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true, bandits are cheaper and it is down to you about how much throttle you give it. you just need to take it easy at first as it will be quick.

if you were to crash, insurance would more than likely check that it is restricted. if it isnt, your insurance wont pay out, and if the police press charges which they more than likely will, it would be driving with no insurance. which is 6 points i believe, may be 3 but pretty sure its 6. if it is 6 then youll get banned for 2 years and have to re do your test.

where abouts do you live?


Yeah, thats what I mean. Even jumping from my 50 onto a restricted bandit I think I will still have to take it easy actually.

And I live in Plymouth.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah you would at first, you need to restrict it to get the certificate anyway. ah cool, i live in weymouth, i think your the closest person to me on bcf Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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yeah you would at first, you need to restrict it to get the certificate anyway. ah cool, i live in weymouth, i think your the closest person to me on bcf Laughing


Haha. And what did you do? Or did you take DAS?
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
i had mine restricted and it still is, im a year into my restriction. bikes still bloody quick so im in no rush to take them out to be honest, cant justify the consiquences should it come to it
when are you 17 ?
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i had mine restricted and it still is, im a year into my restriction. bikes still bloody quick so im in no rush to take them out to be honest, cant justify the consiquences should it come to it
when are you 17 ?


December Laughing I saw a thread the other day and it got me excited Razz

And yeah, all of my mates are on 125's and 50's anyway so it would be fine. It's fast enough for everything so I don't see any major issues. It's just being on a bike that is more capable and the stupid prices. What did you pay? And at the end of the day, its there for a reason. But I do think 2 years is harsh. 1 would be sufficient.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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December Laughing I saw a thread the other day and it got me excited Razz

And yeah, all of my mates are on 125's and 50's anyway so it would be fine. It's fast enough for everything so I don't see any major issues. It's just being on a bike that is more capable and the stupid prices. What did you pay? And at the end of the day, its there for a reason. But I do think 2 years is harsh. 1 would be sufficient.


it will be plenty quick lol, theres people round here with de restrcited rs125s and there no match for a restrcited 4/600, although they will make the argument that there the same power. they really arent in the same leauge.

what did i pay for what ? my bike or to have it restricted?
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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December Laughing I saw a thread the other day and it got me excited Razz

And yeah, all of my mates are on 125's and 50's anyway so it would be fine. It's fast enough for everything so I don't see any major issues. It's just being on a bike that is more capable and the stupid prices. What did you pay? And at the end of the day, its there for a reason. But I do think 2 years is harsh. 1 would be sufficient.


it will be plenty quick lol, theres people round here with de restrcited rs125s and there no match for a restrcited 4/600, although they will make the argument that there the same power. they really arent in the same leauge.

what did i pay for what ? my bike or to have it restricted?


I meant the restriction but seeing as its an rvf, how much was that?
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
think i payed £180 for it and to have it fitted etc, im not %100 sure as it was over a year ago now

payed £2500 for my bike, worth about £4500 so im happy Very Happy got me a bargain Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
HD wrote:
Not saying I am going to but would they check if I crashed? As in dyno the bike if I hit someone? And what are the fines/points?

Cheers! Thumbs Up

Hi there HD,

I had the misfortune of crashing a YZF600R which was unrestricted.

Besides the fact is almost claimed my life, the Police instantly confiscated the bike and had it examined for a restriction. I admitted to them that it was unrestricted.

They made a stern point of telling me that if I didn't have the highly severe lift threatening injuries I had, they would have charged me with:

Driving in non-accordance with licence. 3 Points.
Driving without valid third party insurance. 6 Points.

So from a single crash, I would have ended up with:

6-9 Points.
Massive fine.
No more licence.
MASSIVE insurance premiums for 5 years.

To put this long story short, it is really not worth being unrestricted. It's only two years and 33bhp is plenty enough to get you about and my SV will still do 110mph (INDICATED) on a "private road". Wink.

Also, it will make it all the sweeter when you are unrestricted, I've ridden R1s, R6s, GSXR600s and many other bikes and whilst I can't wait to be unrestricted, I have more fun on my 33bhp KLX300 and KDX200 on the road and in the fields than I did on an 180bhp R1.

At the end of the day, it's the law to be restricted. I'm sure you don't break the law elsewhere and what's more, if you do have a horrible crash and end up maiming some pedestrian for life, you have no insurance to cover them for their staggering losses and I'm sure you'd feel (and rightly be) a massive cvnt. I've learnt my lesson and I hope other people learn from mine too, don't learn the hard way and just follow the law, it's not long.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paulington wrote:
HD wrote:
Not saying I am going to but would they check if I crashed? As in dyno the bike if I hit someone? And what are the fines/points?

Cheers! Thumbs Up

Hi there HD,

I had the misfortune of crashing a YZF600R which was unrestricted.

Besides the fact is almost claimed my life, the Police instantly confiscated the bike and had it examined for a restriction. I admitted to them that it was unrestricted.

They made a stern point of telling me that if I didn't have the highly severe lift threatening injuries I had, they would have charged me with:

Driving in non-accordance with licence. 3 Points.
Driving without valid third party insurance. 6 Points.

So from a single crash, I would have ended up with:

6-9 Points.
Massive fine.
No more licence.
MASSIVE insurance premiums for 5 years.

To put this long story short, it is really not worth being unrestricted. It's only two years and 33bhp is plenty enough to get you about and my SV will still do 110mph (INDICATED) on a "private road". Wink.

Also, it will make it all the sweeter when you are unrestricted, I've ridden R1s, R6s, GSXR600s and many other bikes and whilst I can't wait to be unrestricted, I have more fun on my 33bhp KLX300 and KDX200 on the road and in the fields than I did on an 180bhp R1.

At the end of the day, it's the law to be restricted. I'm sure you don't break the law elsewhere and what's more, if you do have a horrible crash and end up maiming some pedestrian for life, you have no insurance to cover them for their staggering losses and I'm sure you'd feel (and rightly be) a massive cvnt. I've learnt my lesson and I hope other people learn from mine too, don't learn the hard way and just follow the law, it's not long.


Holy shit! That's lucky!

Think ill just get it restricted :/

And clancy that is still bloody expensive though. You keeping the bike after your restriction?

My insurance runs out 10 days after my birthday so do you think I should pass my test and ride my pushbike until I get a better bike?
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
HD wrote:

Think ill just get it restricted :/

And clancy that is still bloody expensive though. You keeping the bike after your restriction?

My insurance runs out 10 days after my birthday so do you think I should pass my test and ride my pushbike until I get a better bike?


it is but its one nice ass bike Very Happy yeah i will be keeping it for a while yet, the good thing about it is i know ill get more than i paid for it so i dont mind.

yeah i would either ride your push bike for a bit, or get 1months insurance or something. if you start saving now you could proabably afford your new bike by december, bare in mind christmas and your birthday...parents can chip in Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Think ill just get it restricted :/

And clancy that is still bloody expensive though. You keeping the bike after your restriction?

My insurance runs out 10 days after my birthday so do you think I should pass my test and ride my pushbike until I get a better bike?


it is but its one nice ass bike Very Happy yeah i will be keeping it for a while yet, the good thing about it is i know ill get more than i paid for it so i dont mind.

yeah i would either ride your push bike for a bit, or get 1months insurance or something. if you start saving now you could proabably afford your new bike by december, bare in mind christmas and your birthday...parents can chip in Thumbs Up


But ill be forking out on them Laughing

It also doesn't help that there is a new go mart track opened about 2 mins away from my house Razz
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 17 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah but you aint gotta spend loads, if they buy one thing like your insurance or something then your halfway there Thumbs Up

ah sweet, is it any good? me and the lads been looking at going go karting for a while, just dont know where
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