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Swim41
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Divvy to SV650 (or other suggestions) Reply with quote

I've had my XJ600N for four years now and for most of that time I've enjoyed it, done some great European and UK tours, rallies, the Ring, etc so have had my money's worth out of it. Recently though, I've become really fed up with the feeble performance and poor brakes (especially noticable when loaded up for touring) and it's become quite a chore to ride. I actually prefer driving my hatchback, which is enough said surely.

I'm planning to get something with a bit more 'soul' and a better riding experience, but want to retain the Divvy's strengths of reliability and lowish running costs. I don't want an outright sportsbike but the SV650 seems to get praise for the character of it's motor, as does the DL650 which has a similar engine.

Main uses for the bike are touring, rallying and exploration. Outright speed isn't really what I'm after, but 'grunt' is, hence thinking about a twin. Ability to mount hard luggage would be a plus (this seems to be possible with the SV, using removable racks). When touring I only do about 65mph tops as I keep off the motorways. Have considered MT-03, XT, F650 etc)

Budget is £2250. Any suggestions? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having been a D6 rider myself and migrated on. i was happy to find that the bike I chose, was also the choice of a few other fello divvy riders.

Kawasaki Versys.

Slightly larger engine, with a bit more get up and go. A lot of options to add luggage.
Reliable as the D6, not quite as good on the mpg. D6 I got 60+ all the time V gives between 55 & 65 mpg. Think its the fact it likes to be ridden.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DL650 V strom was my choice after the XJ600s and I love it. I wanted a tall bike as I am 6'4 and it suits me really well.

May struggle with £2250, I looked at a cracker on a 06 plate with 8k miles for £2800, so you never know, you could get lucky!!!
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took the Versys for a few test rides when i was making my mind up and really liked it, but it was too tall for me to get it out of my garden(2 lots of steps to go up).

It had good torque, good visibility, very comfortable but wasn't happy over 85mph
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not the 900 Divvy, it you like the bike generally. I fancy one of those one day, after reading a despatchers story in UBG years ago about one.

As for your feeble brakes, ever had them apart to scrape the corrosion from behind the pistons seals? If not, that could explain it. Whenever mine feel a bit weak and wooden that makes them feel good again.

Don't go for a parallel twin. As much as I enjoy my CB500, the vibes between about 65 and 75 put your hands and feet to sleep.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently have a '54 plate SV650S for sale at £1800. Only done 10k miles on the dot. Pretty much immaculate.

PM if you want some info on it. Smile.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure the SV (or any V-Twin) would make for a good tourer, of course it would do it all, but the IL4s are a lot smoother so bound to be less on fatigue! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't the sv 650's also suffer from front cylinder problems.?Think they crack.......
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveus wrote:
Don't the sv 650's also suffer from front cylinder problems.?Think they crack.......

Only if poorly maintained.

Ones like mine that have been wash/waxed weekly, checked over, properly maintained and rarely even taken out in the wet don't. People who don't care about their bike and lack the common sense to figure out standard maintenence, then they have front cylinder problems and it's mainly confined to misfiring/not firing at all from the coil malfunctioning or water getting into the spark plug gap.

Hell, mine even has a flexible rubber guard that covers the entire top of the engine to prevent water getting to the top of the motor! They aren't as bad as everyone give them rap for.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
fiveus wrote:
Don't the sv 650's also suffer from front cylinder problems.?Think they crack.......

Only if poorly maintained.

Ones like mine that have been wash/waxed weekly, checked over, properly maintained and rarely even taken out in the wet don't. People who don't care about their bike and lack the common sense to figure out standard maintenence, then they have front cylinder problems and it's mainly confined to misfiring/not firing at all from the coil malfunctioning or water getting into the spark plug gap.

Hell, mine even has a flexible rubber guard that covers the entire top of the engine to prevent water getting to the top of the motor! They aren't as bad as everyone give them rap for.


Paul - he does big tours. That may not be an option.

How about a VFR800i? Theres a decent one at a bike auction near me this weekend with a guide price of half your budget Wink
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also vote for the Divvy 900. Lovely and comfy and great for touring. Mine has the large Yamaha panniers, which is great for 2 up touring. Plenty of grunt, very flexible engine and no dirty chains to faff about with. These engines will easily do over 100,000 miles without needing anything doing to them.
Year before last I did 850 kms on mine coming back from South Germany and only stopped to fill it up and have a loo break.
I've toured all over on mine including Italy in a heat wave and it's never missed a beat. They are really a great bike.

The Versys is also a nice bike. Had a test ride on one last year. Very impressive.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Paul - he does big tours. That may not be an option.

It doesn't have to be clean to stay up and fine, as long as you do common sense maintenence to them they are fine. Hell, if you do long tours the rain will wash off the crap anyway! Laughing!

Don't get me wrong, I'm really not trying to 'big up' the SV series to make him more likely to buy the bloody thing, I'm just trying to get across that they really are not as bad to maintain and ride as everyone makes them out to be. Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Why not the 900 Divvy, it you like the bike generally. I fancy one of those one day, after reading a despatchers story in UBG years ago about one.

As for your feeble brakes, ever had them apart to scrape the corrosion from behind the pistons seals? If not, that could explain it. Whenever mine feel a bit weak and wooden that makes them feel good again.

Don't go for a parallel twin. As much as I enjoy my CB500, the vibes between about 65 and 75 put your hands and feet to sleep.


The 900 is a good bus, agreed. A lot of bike for the money. Thing is though, both the 600 and 900, although 90s bikes, seem to be technologically throwbacks to the 80s and I think this shows in the brakes and handling. This isn't a criticism, but I fancy something a bit more modern. I have overhauled the brakes a couple of times on my 600 which improved things, but not greatly. For everyday use they are adequate, but with a pillion or loaded up for a camping trip then the stopping distances become huge - had a few scary moments! Mine is a '97 model with a single front caliper, I think they changed to dual calipers the year after.

Blue_SV650S wrote:
I am not sure the SV (or any V-Twin) would make for a good tourer, of course it would do it all, but the IL4s are a lot smoother so bound to be less on fatigue! Thumbs Up


Those DL650s are considered to be pretty good and generally well equipped for touring? I'm sure they use the SV engine.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuziCat wrote:
These engines will easily do over 100,000 miles without needing anything doing to them.


That's pretty impressive, getting into Africa Twin and Pan territory.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swim41 wrote:


Those DL650s are considered to be pretty good and generally well equipped for touring? I'm sure they use the SV engine.


They certainly are, some folks have done a round the world trip (ala Charlie and Ewan) with a damn site less probs than the BMWs had

I reckon i could sit on the bike till I was bored, it is so comfy, and the engine is a peach!! luggage is easy to get and still leaves loads of room for 2-up riding.

The engine is a retuned Gladius engine (SV is the same, but the newer, not the older unit)

I looked at a versys too, but felt the Strom was a bit more bike than toy.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Swim41 wrote:


Those DL650s are considered to be pretty good and generally well equipped for touring? I'm sure they use the SV engine.


They certainly are, some folks have done a round the world trip (ala Charlie and Ewan) with a damn site less probs than the BMWs had

I reckon i could sit on the bike till I was bored, it is so comfy, and the engine is a peach!! luggage is easy to get and still leaves loads of room for 2-up riding.

The engine is a retuned Gladius engine (SV is the same, but the newer, not the older unit)

I looked at a versys too, but felt the Strom was a bit more bike than toy.


Swim41


Would you rate the DL650 for a big rider? Being 6'3 myself with long arms and legs i really struggle to find a bike comfy enough for me to do alot of miles. I'v loved my 2 TDM850's iv had but good models seem to be getting rare and the V-strom keeps catching my eye, although not sure which one would be better, the 650 or the 1000

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PostPosted: 20:54 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a Fazer 600?

There are a fair few decent ones about.

I got my 2002, 8.5k miles t&t for £1600.

Great bikes. Really will handle everything you throw at them. Great for commuting, touring, the twisties. Whatever you want.

Also no worries about the brakes being poor. They are from the R1 on the Fazer Smile and trust me they work very well Very Happy.

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PostPosted: 21:04 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveus wrote:
Don't the sv 650's also suffer from front cylinder problems.?Think they crack.......


Never ever heard that Confused
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda cbr600F Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naked or sport SV? I wouldn't buy the sport to go touring, I value my wrists too much Wink

Something more upright would probably be a better idea, though if you're determined you can always fit some naked SV bits to a sporty one (like the bars and pegs) to make it more comfy.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
fiveus wrote:
Don't the sv 650's also suffer from front cylinder problems.?Think they crack.......


Never ever heard that Confused


me either having owned an SV650.

Common problem was water in the spark plug recess, so keeping the HT cap smeared with silicone and making sure the rubber flap is covering the front pot so water doesnt get down then all will be good.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
What about a Fazer 600?

There are a fair few decent ones about.

I got my 2002, 8.5k miles t&t for £1600.

Great bikes. Really will handle everything you throw at them. Great for commuting, touring, the twisties. Whatever you want.

Also no worries about the brakes being poor. They are from the R1 on the Fazer Smile and trust me they work very well Very Happy.


I tried one of these a few years ago, nice machine, seemed quick compared to the Divvy. My mate had one and then moved onto the TDM900 which also has the R1 brakes. That's a decent bike too, and good on juice.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
Honda cbr600F Thumbs Up


These are great, but I dont think there's racks available for hard luggage. I've become spoiled by the convenience of big ugly plastic boxes and don't want to go back to bungies and stuff! Smile
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 22 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a couple of Fazers that are worth looking at:

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2002-Yamaha-FZS-600-FAZER-SILVER-/270707858074?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item3f07721a9a#ht_1336wt_1139

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-FZS600-FZS-600-FAZER-2003-UK-DELIVERY-/120686636023?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1c197bebf7#ht_500wt_1156

Hope that helps!
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