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PostPosted: 12:20 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

Right, a while back I remember seeing a thread on here linked to another website about some bloke ringing up somewhere like the DVLA as there was a bike he saw that had been sat their for ages. They tried to contact the rider and in the end he got the bike. I cant find it but I think I am in the same boat, really.

Basically, I have been doing my paper round for over 3 years now and there is a CBR400rr parked in a space. I have only ever once seen it in a different space and never been ridden. Its not in hurrendous condition.

So who would I ring up to do the same thing? And what if I was riding it next year and the actual rider saw the bike and demanded it back, where would I stand?

Or do you all suggest stop being a scab and get your own bike? Laughing

I just think that its a waste of a bike just sat there as its starting to rust in a few places but still a decent bike. Also, I would quite like a CBR. However, I feel I am a bit skint, inexperienced and young to start doing track days so road riding would be the only way...

Whats your opinions and who would I talk to?

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PostPosted: 12:24 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

HD wrote:
Right, a while back I remember seeing a thread on here linked to another website about some bloke ringing up somewhere like the DVLA as there was a bike he saw that had been sat their for ages. They tried to contact the rider and in the end he got the bike. I cant find it but I think I am in the same boat, really.

Basically, I have been doing my paper round for over 3 years now and there is a CBR400rr parked in a space. I have only ever once seen it in a different space and never been ridden. Its not in hurrendous condition.

So who would I ring up to do the same thing? And what if I was riding it next year and the actual rider saw the bike and demanded it back, where would I stand?

Or do you all suggest stop being a scab and get your own bike? Laughing

I just think that its a waste of a bike just sat there as its starting to rust in a few places but still a decent bike. Also, I would quite like a CBR. However, I feel I am a bit skint, inexperienced and young to start doing track days so road riding would be the only way...

Whats your opinions and who would I talk to?

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You can't just take peoples posessions because they haven't been used. That is ridiculous. On that argument I could take the Mona Lisa from the Louvre because no one has moved it for years.

Forget it, its someones pride and joy and they are probably waiting for the right time to get it back on the road. If you want it, then by all means contact the owner and offer to buy it. Otherwise forget it.

You can't just have a free vehicle because someone hasn't used it for a while. It doesn't work like that.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

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You can't just take peoples posessions because they haven't been used. That is ridiculous. On that argument I could take the Mona Lisa from the Louvre because no one has moved it for years.

Forget it, its someones pride and joy and they are probably waiting for the right time to get it back on the road. If you want it, then by all means contact the owner and offer to buy it. Otherwise forget it.

You can't just have a free vehicle because someone hasn't used it for a while. It doesn't work like that.


No, I wouldn't just take it. I would go through procedures like that guy did, whom I cant find his thread.

Also, I have been looking at it for months, just thinking exactly what that guy did would be possible. I have also, on every sunny day so far, been up there and the bike was still there. I will wait til the proper Spring anyway but hmmm...
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

HD wrote:
, I wouldn't just take it. I would go through procedures like that guy did, whom I cant find his thread.

Also, I have been looking at it for months, just thinking exactly what that guy did would be possible. I have also, on every sunny day so far, been up there and the bike was still there. I will wait til the proper Spring anyway but hmmm...


Even if the DVLA did register it in your name the registered keeper and owner are not the same thing. Is the bike on the road and taxed? On someone's private property? If it is taxed then the owner is obviously aware they own it, if it is on private property then it is like you nicking his garden gnomes. The rules allowing you to register other people's bikes only really applies to bikes you find dumped with no signs of anyone owning it.

If you want it, find the owner and offer to pay for it Thumbs Up .


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PostPosted: 12:37 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

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You can't just have a free vehicle because someone hasn't used it for a while. It doesn't work like that.


Tell him how it DOES work then? That'd be useful.


People have got bikes and cars this way, I think there has even been threads on here about it where some helpful soul has posted procedural information. I could have been dreaming but I don't think I was.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is on the road, in a parking space. Ill have a look for tax later, just ill look a bit shifty Laughing

For fastness, does anyone know directly where it is or will I have to check the usual places?

And Rob, never thought of that...

Maybe Ill ask around and see if anyone knows who owns the bike Thumbs Up

These responses are more positive than I was expecting actually, cheers guys Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike stalker!!! Laughing

What if you did ask around and massive guy came out covered in tattoos and said 'Yeah it's mine, what do you want?'

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always told that if I wanted something then I would have to save up for it.......not find one that belonged to somebody else and then steal it. Thumbs Up

Just because it's been there a while it doesn't mean that the owner should let you take it, he could be a hero in Afganistan, ill or just hasn't got the money to put it on the road.

I would love a new bike but i'm sure it would feel much better when I have lusted after it and saved for a while to get it rather than taken somebody else's.

You could try and find the owner and come to some sort of rental agreement where you put it back on the road and use it for a nominal fee or just buy it!
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had wondered about this, well more along the lines of contacting the owner and offering to buy it. There is a cbr 125 that has been sat at uni for over a year now not moving, the tyres are a bit flat and the chain is slack as hell and rusted. But with a little love it could be a good bike again. Just no idea who to ask Laughing.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

theguvnor wrote:
MarJay wrote:


You can't just have a free vehicle because someone hasn't used it for a while. It doesn't work like that.


Tell him how it DOES work then? That'd be useful.


People have got bikes and cars this way, I think there has even been threads on here about it where some helpful soul has posted procedural information. I could have been dreaming but I don't think I was.


You contact the DVLA and the police with your name and number, and the VIN of the vehicle, if within XXX number of days they cannot find the owner then you can apply for a V5 from the DVLA and register it in your own name. The owner finds his bike stolen, phones the police, they tell him it has been re-registered and then HD gets beaten up/court proceedings for nicking a bike.

Basically it still wouldn't be your bike, if they wanted it back they could take it.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: My bike, well their bike? Reply with quote

theguvnor wrote:
People have got bikes and cars this way, I think there has even been threads on here about it where some helpful soul has posted procedural information. I could have been dreaming but I don't think I was.

Plenty of people have got bikes by stealing them from other people that use them daily, too.

Pretty sure you have to make reasonable effort to contact the owner - so why not do this now? Ask around local houses, etc.
Never know, may find the owner, but they may be happy to let it for a pittance if they're not using it - then you'll be all legal too.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD your a fecking tool, youv just given me shit about my bike and that im scum now you want to apply for a bike to claim as yours you muppet,lets say you leave your bike in a safe place at home which i assume it is as you have seen this one for 3 years without it moving, now the bike may only be worth 1000 pounds but you get offered a job working away and you decide to leave it until you get back what the fuck would you do when it had gone ? i would report it stolen and give you a right crack if i saw you on it.

I think you should stick to your 125 as you may be a hazard on the road with a brain like yours pal.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer - it's thair property not yours. Leave it alone or find the owner and buy it. If it's in a parking space, there must be houses nearby. Pick the 20 closest houses to the bike and go door-knocking one afternoon, someone will know who the owner is. They might even donate it to you if you spin them a hard-luck story.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way it works is that when the DVLA get the enquiry they send out a letter to the registered keeper asking for a response on the subject. If they get no response then you get a V5......simples.

Obviously the method is fraught with danger as it doesn't take into consideration people who work away etc.

You can do a registered keeper enquiry from the DVLA for about £2.99 as long as you can provide a lawful reason for wanting to know. Then offer to buy it or loan it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
The way it works is that when the DVLA get the enquiry they send out a letter to the registered keeper asking for a response on the subject. If they get no response then you get a V5......simples.

Obviously the method is fraught with danger as it doesn't take into consideration people who work away etc.

Note that if the response they got back from the registered keeper was 'someone stole my bike', then they would send you the V5, even if you were the bike thief.

The registered keeper is purely the main user of the vehicle, rather than the legal property owner of the vehicle.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had the same story, basicly there was a tl1000 in a council car park for months, flat tyres ect.
It got a notice put on it, saying it was due to be removed and crushed on the, 15th say, i did abit of asking around, and found out that the chap that owned it was in prison for drugs offences.

i was interested in buying it, and didnt want it too be crushed, so i moved it into another car park one night.
Anyway, the guy got out of prison, came round my house and thanked me for moving his bike so it didnt get crushed, he didnt want to sell it, but at least i kept one more bike from becoming turned into a fridge.

I know by even moving it, i was commiting an offence, but i took the risk, and the guy got to keep his bike.

see if you can ask a friendly police officer, check online if its taxed and insured with the Registration, Askmid.com for the insurance, and dvla tax check for the tax.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not much chance of getting a copper to run a PNC check on a bike and furnish you with the owner's details, if that's what you mean by ask a friendly copper. It'd be a serious disciplinary offence for them.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a huge difference between "a bike dumped in a field" and "a bike parked in a residential area".
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

devojunior wrote:
HD your a fecking tool, youv just given me shit about my bike and that im scum now you want to apply for a bike to claim as yours you muppet,lets say you leave your bike in a safe place at home which i assume it is as you have seen this one for 3 years without it moving, now the bike may only be worth 1000 pounds but you get offered a job working away and you decide to leave it until you get back what the fuck would you do when it had gone ? i would report it stolen and give you a right crack if i saw you on it.

I think you should stick to your 125 as you may be a hazard on the road with a brain like yours pal.


Jog on, Ive done research about this. Read threads, which I cant find now, of people who have done the same thing. I am going to do this legally, if I follow it through. Its not stealing. Im not that type of guy.

You want to find bolt croppers to cut a 10mm chain, know how to break a steering lock and get 'your' bike back without doing anything the proper way. 'Devvo' is a chav micky take and labelling yourself as devojunior makes you come across as a chav too.

Dont start picking on others when your at fault yourself.

Also, claiming that I have got a 'bad brain' when I clearly am more academic than you just shows how much of a tool you are. I also seem to have more common sense as well as I am trying to take a legal, formal and 'right' approach. Please, tell me if I am wrong.



In the responses to the 'normal' answers, I think Im gonna leave it to maybe June/July and go doorknocking. That way its after my exams have finished and I have nothing better to do. If it does turn out that the owner does not want it, or cannot be found, or wants minimal money for it, that gives me time over the summer to fix it up, make it looks shiny and get it ready for December.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
There's not much chance of getting a copper to run a PNC check on a bike and furnish you with the owner's details, if that's what you mean by ask a friendly copper. It'd be a serious disciplinary offence for them.




depends on the copper... Smile
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:15 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok its simple i see your bike parked up and apply for v5 with a v62 whatevewr it is and if you dont receive the letter for what ever reason and i get a v5 through i can them coem and take your bike because none of you neighbours new it was your. stick to your paper round young lad.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITS NOT FUCKING LEGAL.

The only reason it MIGHT be legal is if someone left the bike on YOUR property and did not come back to claim it.

As I said, you CANNOT GO AND TAKE BIKES FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMISSION.

IT IS STEALING.

You *may* apply for the V5 of a vehicle that according to the DVLA has no registered keeper and has clearly been abandoned in your private land, or on public land, however you don't know that this is the case for this bike. The guy who owns it is probably just too lazy to fix it and too lazy to sell it. By applying for the V5 you aren't suddenly legitimising theft.

Guvnor, There is no legal way you can do it if the bike is parked on private land that you don't own, and hasn't clearly been abandoned. If for example the bike had been left in the OP's garage for five years, then perhaps it might be possible for him to claim it, however, IF the owner wants it back then they should have it back.

Jeez, I was taught what was and what wasn't stealing when I was about five years old, and this is clearly stealing. It doesn't matter if the bike has been neglected, turned into a toast rack, covered with concrete or whatever it is still stealing.

Just because there is a loophole in DVLA procedure that allows you to apply to become the registered keeper of a vehicle, doesn't mean that you should suddenly start doing it, and it doesn't mean that the vehicle suddenly becomes legally yours. As I said, it doesn't work like that, and you know why it doesn't work like that. Because you're stealing someone elses property!
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

devojunior wrote:
ok its simple i see your bike parked up and apply for v5 with a v62 whatevewr it is and if you dont receive the letter for what ever reason and i get a v5 through i can them coem and take your bike because none of you neighbours new it was your. stick to your paper round young lad.


'Junior' applies you indeed are a young lad.

Also, I wouldn't leave my bike parked outside in not the most social area of Plymouth. Let alone for over 3 years. It will be 3 1/2 years before I apply so Ill see what comes of it.
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