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cornish
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: DVLA question, sorn REALLY overdue! Reply with quote

Bike been off the road for few years, been moved around in temporary accomodation etc for long time. Been at current address for 3 years but and am just now starting to catch-up and sort out the chaos.

Last time I sorned the bike was about 5 years ago at a very old address. (have just worked this out and shat myself panicking!!!!)

Am trying to sort the bike out and it has popped into my head that i have not updated my address with the DVLA. . . .nor have I sorned my bike.

Any advice about how to go about this. As soon as I update my address with them the crap will hit the fan with regards to my SORN so any advice on preparation would be most welcome.

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PostPosted: 23:50 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you on about? You sent them the relevant letters...don't you remember?
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ this

Or, if you don't need the possible crap entailed in keeping up the pretence, 'sell' it to a mate, let them register and SORN it, then 'buy' it back in 6 months.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
What are you on about? You sent them the relevant letters...don't you remember?


I don't think you can get away with just saying that because the DVLA just say "you should have checked that we got them" ?
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had 5 bikes unsorned for about 2 years. They send you an absolute shit storm of letters, but I realised a few months after selling one that they stopped sending me letters forthat one. So I sorned the others and all the letters stopped.

They'll never take anyone to court, cos if they lose they'll have to stop sending letters, and presumably a lot of people just stump up the cash.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

you've really got yourself in a pickle, but i think speaking to them on the phone or better still visit their nearest regional office in person is you best bet and give them classy dumb blonde act and MAYBE they will be lenient with you.

They may possibly penalise you in some way or hopefully telling them what happened back then you'll only get a warning! Leaving it any for longer and if bike found on public road it be could be crushed if not taxed still or have a hard time registering another vehicle if this one raises its ugly head to what happened to it?


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PostPosted: 00:19 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got any experience? Cos I have lots and there's fuck all to worry about
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, best not to contact them, I'd say.
If you get any official court stuff through, pay attention, otherwise ignore.

Anyone know Scotsman's address, might send round some 'fines' myself, for hisanti-British communist views or something Razz.

There's no way they could give you a hard time registering another vehicle due to an un paid sorn request for money. They will happily give a V5 to someone that is known to have stolen the bike, so don't think an out standing request for you to send them a monetary gift is going to mean much!
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G, I don't have communist views, and thankfully I have always kept bikes legal by remembering when things are due for renewal.

She has hard time by the sounds of it and is scared falling fowl of the law. Sometimes honesty is the best policy, but if youve done it plenty of times then i guess dvla isn't on the ball in chasing people for unpaid road tax or failed to sorn.

My helmets is off to you knowing that you can get away with it personally!
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like your tone
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

computer wrote:
Benson_JV wrote:
What are you on about? You sent them the relevant letters...don't you remember?


I don't think you can get away with just saying that because the DVLA just say "you should have checked that we got them" ?


I got away with it. So not saying for sure that he will, but what would you rather? Try and get away with it & possibly not pay fines, or not try and have to pay fines? Wink
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My helmets is off to you knowing that you can get away with it personally!

It's no more 'getting away with it' than if you didn't pay your fine to me for your communist views.

Doesn't really matter that you deny your communist views; by denying them in it's self you'd be showing you are worried about this fine, so I think I'll send a few more letters, but up the 'fine' to £160 so that you get a bit more scared and give me the money.

In this case, honestly is certainly the best for the DVLA, as they'll get some more money to justify their existence with.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
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My helmets is off to you knowing that you can get away with it personally!

It's no more 'getting away with it' than if you didn't pay your fine to me for your communist views.

Doesn't really matter that you deny your communist views; by denying them in it's self you'd be showing you are worried about this fine, so I think I'll send a few more letters, but up the 'fine' to £160 so that you get a bit more scared and give me the money.

In this case, honestly is certainly the best for the DVLA, as they'll get some more money to justify their existence with.


You BIG cry baby, now go back to school and learn something about why the state needs money to fund projects to maintain roads, etc, for road users. Also, that's why the SORN was created so as not to penalise people not using that particular vehicle on the road.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just got the £80 fine through for a car that hasn't moved for 2 years, and has no SORN.

Do I ignore it or tell them I sent the sorn, and they must have lost it?
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:
You BIG cry baby, now go back to school and learn something about why the state needs money to fund projects to maintain roads, etc


So the epic tax we pay on fuel isn't enough, and to those who work, who pay epic amounts of tax. I pay my road tax...both cars and bikes. They get nearly 800 off me a year. Surely the potholes in the road can be sorted with that.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
I've just got the £80 fine through for a car that hasn't moved for 2 years, and has no SORN.

Do I ignore it or tell them I sent the sorn, and they must have lost it?


They will send a debt agency to get you..
I told them I sent the v5 to dvla as bike was scrapped.
They said I need to pay them plus 15% admin fee.

Said I'll see them in court.

Heard nothing since December.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:
You BIG cry baby, now go back to school and learn something about why the state needs money to fund projects to maintain roads, etc, for road users. Also, that's why the SORN was created so as not to penalise people not using that particular vehicle on the road.



They make more in road tax than they spend on roads.

Also, why should we even be paying road tax at all? The amount we use our cars/bikes is proportional to the amount of fuel we use which we pay stupid amounts of tax on anyway. What difference should it make if I do 10,000 miles in one car or 2 cars and 9 bikes?
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:

They make more in road tax than they spend on roads.

Also, why should we even be paying road tax at all? The amount we use our cars/bikes is proportional to the amount of fuel we use which we pay stupid amounts of tax on anyway. What difference should it make if I do 10,000 miles in one car or 2 cars and 9 bikes?


Totally agree!
I do around 14,000 a year, but I do it in 2 or 3 different cars and 3 or so bikes.
Paying tax on fuel, ridiculous amounts of it... then badgering us for fines because we dont want/need the road tax, go to hell.
Ive got 1 bike on the road, but have 4 older broken/stolen ones. I have SORN'd them, but apparently they havent recieved it! so i'll happily see them in court!
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:

You BIG cry baby, now go back to school and learn something about why the state needs money to fund projects to maintain roads, etc, for road users. Also, that's why the SORN was created so as not to penalise people not using that particular vehicle on the road.

I think a) you're mixing up 'Vehicle Excise Duty' with a request for a gift of money to the DVLA (Sorn) and b) failing to understand how taxes and duties generally work. (For most cases, including this one, it all goes in to one big pot and is then redistributed.)

As I believe was shown from a previous thread, I well understand the government needs a hell of a lot more money than it's getting.
However, the reality is that few people will choose to just give more money to the government, especially when it's through a rather questionable agency such as the DVLA.
If you believe it's important, why don't YOU give them some extra money?

SORN was created purely TO penalise people. How can you create something NOT to penalise people who are taxing their vehicles, when they aren't penalised in the first place?
There was already enough laws in place in relation to penalising people who used their vehicles on the road. This new law just allowed these people to send money to the DVLA more easily if they wanted to or felt intimidated about it.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

One option to get around the road tax is have a motorcycle that was more than 25 years old i.e. built before 1971 as noted below when the rule was changed to reflect that, but that's if they've changed that rule too on that matter? In regards to a fairer road tax which I whole heartedly agree that a more balanced system is required for sole owner & driver of multiple vehicles requires a fairer tax system to reflect that he/she can't be driving them all at once. For now until the rules/law is changed we all have to deal with it and lobby our MP's for a better system!

Here's the other exemptions as noted below;

Exempt vehiclesVarious classes and uses of vehicle are provided with a tax disk without charge.

Vehicles constructed before 1 January 1973 are eligible for a free vehicle licence under "classic car" legislation. This is due to the age of the vehicle and a presumption of limited mileage. Initially this was a rolling exemption applied to any vehicles over 25 years old, however the cutoff date was frozen in 1997. The change to "pre-1973" was unpopular in the classic motoring press, and a number of classic car clubs are campaigning for a change back to the previous system.[6] In 2006 there were 307,407 vehicles in this category:[7]

Other exempt vehicle (broadly in descending order of total number) include:

Vehicles registered to disabled people (1.12 million vehicles).[8]
Emergency vehicles (includes police cars, fire-engines, and ambulances and other health-service vehicles).[9]
Vehicle registered to ex-soldiers who are in receipt of war pensioners’ mobility supplement (18,340 vehicles).[10]
Band A cars (306 vehicles in 2006, but rising fast).[11]
Ministerial cars.[12]
Vehicles operated by the Government Car and Despatch Agency.[citation needed]
Cars imported by members of foreign armed forces.[13]
Road construction vehicles.[14]
Agricultural, horticultural and forestry vehicles[15]
'Crown vehicles' for the use of Queen Elizabeth II and other members of the royal family.[16]
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sickpub, is prob the best perosn to talk to, considering he actually took them to court and won..
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having quite a few vehicles and paying a silly amount of tax for very little use of the vehicles, I quite agree.
However, no one's trying to get away with not paying tax for vehicles they use on the road that I see.

What they are doing, is not wanting to pay the DVLA for not using the vehicles on the road, but forgetting to tell them about it.
Seeing that there is no law compelling people to give the money in regards to these requests, it seems reasonable for them not to.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackwolf wrote:
Sickpub, is prob the best perosn to talk to, considering he actually took them to court and won..


Aye I had a search through the forums, cracking read!

I will send it back saying I've sent the SORN back to them and that it's their problem.

And cross my fingers. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:

You BIG cry baby, now go back to school and learn something about why the state needs money to fund projects to maintain roads, etc, for road users. Also, that's why the SORN was created so as not to penalise people not using that particular vehicle on the road.


SORN is nothing to do with stopping people driving untaxed on the roads as making a declaration doesn't stop people doing it. Exactly the same declaration can be inferred from not retaxing the vehicle.

The fines from a court could be taken as being government income, but not heard of anyone being fined for failing to declare SORN.

What does happen is that the DVLA issue a penalty ticket (NOT a fine) for failing to SORN, effectively offering to take a bribe for not taking you to court for the real penalty. Tthey keep any money paid for themselves.

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