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timboellis
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Sussed out garage lighting with no power Reply with quote

I have posted this question before suggestions were generators , power inverters etc.

So i am just back from the garage across the road after cleaning the bike as I now have plenty of light.

This is what i used

I ripped apart 2 UPS's (For the non geeks a battery within an enclosure used for powering IT kit on power loss) pretty much a standard bike battery slightly smaller.

2 x 25w 12v Hallogen bulbs wired up hung up in the garage rafters and a shit load of light .

So i have 1 to use and 1 on charge ready to go when the other one packs in .


I have left the light on just now to give you an idea of how long it will last.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Sussed out garage lighting with no power Reply with quote

These batteries are often sold as 'leisure batteries', however from my time 'on the scene'* there are a lot of questions how good they are for this purpose. Issue being their designed to be kept charged all the time, then only discharged fully a few times in their life.

May be that this requires similar setup to your typical leisure battery, maybe not.

*, the 'self build motor caravanner club' scene that is Confused.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you thought about using a Shed solar light?

It's LED lighting, but it works well in my shed in the garden.

I think it's 3 or 4 AA batteries.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Sussed out garage lighting with no power Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:

2 x 25w 12v Hallogen bulbs wired up hung up in the garage rafters and a shit load of light .

So i have 1 to use and 1 on charge ready to go when the other one packs in .


I have left the light on just now to give you an idea of how long it will last.


So you have a 5 - 7ah gel battery (gained through sacrilege - UPS' are more than a battery in an enclosure, they have a rather nice inverter in there) which will be dead after an hour or so (50w at 12v is 5ish amps).

A car battery or leisure battery would be much better, and you won't be completely discharging the battery every day.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

well 2 hours and still going
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Sussed out garage lighting with no power Reply with quote

G wrote:
Stuff


G aint wrong to a point,

You should be ok aslong as the batteries do not drop below 30-25% after that they will need replacing as the amount of charge held will be greatly decreased.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This maybe a stupid idea but what i have always wondered is could you power a battery charger from a battery so it powers itself?

I guess not, otherwise they would be in cars.

But WHY not?
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:
This maybe a stupid idea but what i have always wondered is could you power a battery charger from a battery so it powers itself?

I guess not, otherwise they would be in cars.

But WHY not?

Confused

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

Energy will be wasted as heat and various other things. We can not create energy, merely store and release it.
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you used a regular 45Amp hour car battery and hooked up a couple 11W flourescents it would give you ~20hours of light.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Groove wrote:
This maybe a stupid idea but what i have always wondered is could you power a battery charger from a battery so it powers itself?

I guess not, otherwise they would be in cars.

But WHY not?

Confused

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

Energy will be wasted as heat and various other things. We can not create energy, merely store and release it.


I dont think the idea needs energy to be 'created'. Although i did not read that article so may not understand the laws even remotely.....

Say you had a fully charged car battery. You could power lights etc off it and use the energy. So why could you not use the energy to power a battery recharger so whilst it draws the power it also releases it back in to the battery in which it came from.

But hey, i know nothing about physics etc Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could, but you would nver get the same amount of power back.

Energy is no created it is changed form one form to another, when you have a light bulb running, not only is light created, infra red is too. which is lost to the surrounding area and cannot be got back woth out another kind of exchanger.

Take my local coal fired power station. is only 30% effective so of the 10 tonnes of coal burnt, only 3 tonnes of that makes electricity, the rest is in thermal, friction and other losses.

Its one of the Thermodynamic laws
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought about doing this? Laughing

I am going to give it ago whenever I own something that needs natural light.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:

Say you had a fully charged car battery. You could power lights etc off it and use the energy. So why could you not use the energy to power a battery recharger so whilst it draws the power it also releases it back in to the battery in which it came from.

As above - we are no where near 100% efficiency in such systems.
The batteries aren't that efficient (you need to put more power in to them than they actually store), nor is the charging that efficient; you need to put more power in one end that comes out the other. Heat is the most common by-product. So a simple heater is one of the most efficient things we make I believe, as energy considered 'wasted' on heat in other systems in this case is still helping.

Your 'energy company' (often even when you only have gas with them) been giving you free light energy saving light bulbs? People have been using more heating over winter because their light bulbs no longer contribute to heating the house.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a solar trickle charger Here for £9.99 @ Maplins got to be worth a shot.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:
This maybe a stupid idea but what i have always wondered is could you power a battery charger from a battery so it powers itself?

I guess not, otherwise they would be in cars.

But WHY not?



Because it's known as 'Troll Science'

https://www.yurwelcome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/infinite-energy.jpg

lol..

Is there really no way to get a small fuse box cabled through to your house mains and just having a fluorescent strip light and a plug socket in there? Would save a lot of hassle of charging batteries and the like.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:
This maybe a stupid idea but what i have always wondered is could you power a battery charger from a battery so it powers itself?

I guess not, otherwise they would be in cars.

But WHY not?



I've always had a similar thought, about having a battery, powering a low power / high output motor which runs a dynamo, to create more power than the motor draws.
Always wondered if it was possible.




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PostPosted: 10:36 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All i want if for is when i am on nights i can switch the light on see what i am doing when putting the bike away and out and for the occasional fixing etc. so on average the light will not be on for any length of time
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tvchimp wrote:


In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy0UBpagsu8

{edit} Did any of you guys listen in science at school?{edit}
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy0UBpagsu8

{edit} Did any of you guys listen in science at school?{edit}


Haha..I did, but didn't pay that much attention to physics, I found it a little boring and preferred Biology a lot more.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:
I dont think the idea needs energy to be 'created'. Although i did not read that article so may not understand the laws even remotely.....

Say you had a fully charged car battery. You could power lights etc off it and use the energy. So why could you not use the energy to power a battery recharger so whilst it draws the power it also releases it back in to the battery in which it came from.

But hey, i know nothing about physics etc Laughing


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PostPosted: 12:54 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics:

https://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/012011/troll_laptop_charger.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
For those who don't believe in the laws of thermodynamics:

https://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/012011/troll_laptop_charger.jpg


Wouldn't work as USB output is 5v, laptop input is 18.5ish volts.

I'm clever, me. Laughing

Before the stupid comments, I know that voltage difference isn't the reason it won't work
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you got lost in the desert somewhere you could just keep drinking your own piss, pissing it out again and drinking it again...live indefinitely without water.

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

truslack wrote:

Wouldn't work as USB output is 5v, laptop input is 18.5ish volts.

It converts it, innit. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a generator or are times that hard?
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