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PostPosted: 11:47 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Chain tensioners Reply with quote

Ok, so we all know that chain tensioners work in bikes at high revs, for the cam chain, and this means that the chain does not need to be adjusted periodically, as the tensioner takes up the slack and solves that problem.

So..... why can we not use some sort of tensioner for the drive chain to the rear wheel?

Something like the tensioner you find on a bicycle, a cog on a sprung arm, which takes up the slack on the drive chain.

Surely this has been thought about before, but not adopted as a viable method. So why not?

https://www.diaryofamountainbiker.co.uk/oct05/singlespeed_chainset.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such things are commonplace on trials bikes where there is constant volatile movement of the swinging arm. I'm sure that the clever people who design road bikes will have addressed the issue and deemed it impractical or uneconomic to install such automatic tensioners.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember I had an old Honda XL185 that had just such a tensioner.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chain isn't threaded correctly through that rear derailleur. Should be over the top pulley, under the bottom.

But then why there's a derailleur on a fixie in the first place is a mystery.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without sounding too much like a heathenistical Ludite, what is wrong with the system we have at the min? I mean a couple of seconds with a spanner and you have a chain as perfectly tensioned as you need it.

On a more technical note, friction reduces power, loss of power at the chain makes all the engineers hard work on making power at the engine pointless, its the same reason most factories don't put O or X ring chains on 125s because they sap power.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
Chain isn't threaded correctly through that rear derailleur. Should be over the top pulley, under the bottom.

But then why there's a derailleur on a fixie in the first place is a mystery.


For the tensioner Doh!
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
Chain isn't threaded correctly through that rear derailleur. Should be over the top pulley, under the bottom.

But then why there's a derailleur on a fixie in the first place is a mystery.


Because it doesn't have horizontal dropouts to tension the chain. Which incidentally is the exact same system as on a motorbike Wink
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.renold.com/Products/TransmissionChainSprockets/Roll-Ring.asp

We use these at work, quite clever bits of kit.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
https://www.renold.com/Products/TransmissionChainSprockets/Roll-Ring.asp

We use these at work, quite clever bits of kit.


That looks great. Although I wouldnt fancy it in my bike at 70mph along the motorway without some decent mounting point. If that was to come out of the chain at that kind of speed it'll have your leg off and very possibly the few cars it shreds through like a ninja star before it stops. Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
https://www.renold.com/Products/TransmissionChainSprockets/Roll-Ring.asp

We use these at work, quite clever bits of kit.


Simple but impressive Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:


Simple but impressive Thumbs Up


Aint they just? some of the kit we have moves at 9000rpm and I havn`t seen one fail yet. They dont need a mounting point as the chain top and bottom is moving at the same rate so it stays put.

I have often wondered if they would be any good on a bike.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:

Because it doesn't have horizontal dropouts to tension the chain.


Actually it does, bicycle frames have a slotted horizontal dropout, you slacken the axle off, set up the chain tension then force the axle rearward and retighten.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
Slacker24seven wrote:

Because it doesn't have horizontal dropouts to tension the chain.


Actually it does, bicycle frames have a slotted horizontal dropout, you slacken the axle off, set up the chain tension then force the axle rearward and retighten.


The one in the picture clearly isn't horizontal. Its a traditional dropout as found on most bikes.

This is what I meant by horizontal dropout:

https://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/bachelor_dropouts_hi.jpg

Because the bike in the picture doesn't have these it has to retain the rear mech to tension the chain Wink
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Rear_dropout.JPG/220px-Rear_dropout.JPG

It is the traditional type, you wouldn't need more than 10mm on a bike chain, the picture you demonstrated is no doubt better, but it's a cosmopolitan design.[/img]
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:


Simple but impressive Thumbs Up


Aint they just? some of the kit we have moves at 9000rpm and I havn`t seen one fail yet. They dont need a mounting point as the chain top and bottom is moving at the same rate so it stays put.

I have often wondered if they would be any good on a bike.


Swingarm will be in the way. Could they cope with the change in tension that you get as the suspension compresses several times a second?
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 20 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:


Swingarm will be in the way. Could they cope with the change in tension that you get as the suspension compresses several times a second?


Renold wrote:
Roll-Ring even has
potential for use on
motorcycle chain


Seems possible.....
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