Buyer rant after selling bike

[Chinaboy]

Ok, I am pretty pee'd off right now. I had a guy come to see my motorbike last friday, an older guy 63 as it turns out. He came to see my Blade, he spent a good hour looking it over, (I had not riden it since I got the MOT done on November 11th) asking questions etc etc. He was interested and said he would come the next day to test ride it. So, I write a disclaimer before he took it for a ride, basically saying that if in anyway he damages it he is fully responsible. He signs it, and takes it out for a 20 minute ride. He comes back all ok. He tells me he used to be a mechanic and he always tested a bike by going at 90mph and taking his hands off the bars to see if the bike is 'straight'. No problems he said, rides well no shaking or veering to one side. So he is happy. We make a deal and shake hands to seal the deal.
He tells me he will be back in the week (wednesday) with insurance cover,to pick up and give me the cash. All ok.
So he comes over on his own, he live 25 miles away and tells me that if he rides the bike home I can follow him back (in my car) and give him a lift back to mine so he can pick up his car. A bit off as far as I was concerned, but I agreed as I wanted to make sure he took it. So I go over to his house, I ask if he enjoyed the ride, yes yes, all good. I drive him back to mine to pick up his car, he takes all the paperwork and I give him a receipt saying 'basically' all bike details, sold as inspected and tested' and he accepts. All good, job done, bike sold.
Last night I get a call. He is moaning like a banshee, 'tell me about the accident'... 'you lied to me'... 'why didn't you tell me about the other accident' I said what the hell are you talking about He is doing his nut, he told me I had not told him about a mystery accident that had put a small flat spot on the back wheel. I told him I had never had an accident or hit a pot hole to ever damage the back wheel. 'Well..' he said, you fooled me, I would never have bought the bike had I known about the damage' blah blah blah!!!
Anyway, I really never did have or ever experienced a trauma to the back end... ever in my 2 years of riding the bike. But, when I had the bike MOT'd last time, there was an advisory on the yellow sheet that there was a small flat area on the rim or the wheel, but it still passed the MOT. I never gave it a thought, I had never experienced a shake or vibration from the back, the tyre was fine, no damage. As it had an MOT last November, it was sold as a roadworthy vehical as far as I was conerned.
He is now telling me it will cost him about £420 for a new wheel, then he has to get it sprayed, he wont get a secondhand wheel because it would have come off a crashed bike blah blah blah!! He is tring to make me feel guilty....trying to make me say that I will give him some money back. But, as far as I am concerned I sold the bike 'as seen, inspected and road tested' It had a valid MOT so I think he has no come-back to me at all.
What do you guys think?

[Marmalade]

He spent enough time looking at it, took it for a ride etc

If he took it to 90 and didn't have any vibration it's good to go

Not like you rebuilt a cat d and stiffed him

Tell him to get over himself
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[c_dug]

I probably would have mentioned it in the advert if I was you.

Still he wouldn't be getting a penny back if I was in your shoes, he had plenty of chances to ask questions and check the bike over.
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[AngelGrinder]

Tell him to do one

If he wanted the added insurance of being able to return it if it was faulty, he should have gone to a dealer. Instead, he chose the slightly cheaper option of going private. He probably saved more than the repair cost by going privately anyway.

At the end of the day, you always take a risk going second hand, he should know this. He seems to have taken a good time checking it thouroughly, he had his chance. Now that chance is gone, ignore him, or tell him that it's no longer your responsibilty, and if it's that big a problem for him, he should have noticed it before he bought it.

Also, he sounds like a knob!
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[DrDonnyBrago]

It was a private sale, the bike was roadworthy, legal and you didn't lie. Tell him to do one.

[Chinaboy]

thanks for the support guys, it has really pissed me off to be honest.
If the MOT guy had said it needed replacing then I would have, I wouldn't sell something that I would not be happy riding myself. As it happens the mot was issed, so no problem.

I maybe think, as I cannot recall ever hitting a pothole, possibly it happened during a tyre change at my local trye place. Perhaps the clamp was done up too tight???

Anyway, like Angel siad, the guys a knob!!

[MarJay]

Tell him of the ancient latin saying:

Caveat Emptor.

The thing is, its a secondhand bike. There is always going to be something to find fault on. If I were him, I'd be happy that there were so FEW faults with the bike after its been owned for a period of time. If he wants a mint bike, then he needs to go and buy brand new. Simple as that really.

Also, he's talking bollocks about getting the wheel sprayed. First off, it would need to be powder coated, and secondly if he's buying new then he can get the correct colour from the factory can't he?

Tell him he's a moaning bastard and that thousands of people would be 100% happy with a bike like that.
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[Bendy]

Did you give him the MOT paperwork with the advisory?

[0ddball]

You've been more than fair. Not that it needs a new wheel on the back, but if he feels he must replace it and isn't happy with a 2nd hand one you might inform him he needs a front too as that is already 2nd hand
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[neil.]

From what you've written, it seems the bike was more than cared for in your hands. I'm sure you also gave him the oportunity to look over the MOT/service history, which he should have done anyway and he'd have spotted that advisory before he parted with his lakshmi. It sounds like the buyer should have bought a brand new bike from the showroom if he didn't want a single molecule to be out of place. Talk about unrealistic expectations.

[Jim Mc]

I had someone do this to me when I bought privately, told me he lost the MOT advisories sheet which should have raised the alarm bells straight away.

Turns out (amongst other things) the exhaust was rotten through just down from the header nicely concealed by the bodywork. £300 later I felt like I'd been ripped off.

I think you should have been honest and upfront about it personally.

[Minty]

63 you say? Tell him to do one or you will break his hip.

Not much of a mechanic was he, if he didnt notice a dinged rim.
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[Paxovasa]

I would tell him that "it was never in an accident and the flat spot was caused by doing stoppies". I would also tell him to "chek the front wheel due to all the wheelies I had been doing".
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[pinkyfloyd]

As the majority have said. Obviously you would have handed him all the paperwork including MOT certs so he should have studied them there and then before buying the bike. When I picked up the GSXR I knew from reading the latest MOT report that the rear tyre was on advisory. If your wheel was mentioned as an advisory then he should have read that when looking through the paperwork.

Even more so if he was a mechanic as he claimed to be. I'm no mechanic and I couldnt tell you the difference between a spanner and a wrench (if there is one) but even I know to check every piece of paper that comes with the bike.
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[mysterious_rider]

What an absolute douche. Tell him to piss off. Seriously, he's already checked the bike over.
I can't believe you let him test ride it. Sod that! And dropping him off in ya car, what a tosspot. Don't feel bad about it, he's obviously got some kind of mental disorder to want everything perfect.

[MarJay]

[stinkwheel]

[pinkyfloyd]

[Chinaboy]

[JP7]

There was a phrase for this when I was in the motor trade: buyer's remorse.

He's 63 and has suddenly realised that he now has a Blade when he probably should have had something else! Now he's found something to have a go at you about in the hope he can get rid of it.

As the others have said, he had more than enough opportunity to find any faults, specially if he used to be a mechanic. I'd say you went further than you needed to in messing about driving him to pick his car up and the like. He's got no comeback at all. I'm not sure how old the bike is but you will never find a used bike that doesn't have something that isn't perfect.

On a side note, on the MOT certificate there is a box saying whether or not an advisory notice has been issued. If it says "yes" and you haven't got the advisory notice, it's worth asking a lot of questions.

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[Chinaboy]

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