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 Posted: 00:43 - 13 Apr 2011 Post subject: Honda CB250 on CBT? |
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Hi all,
One of my lady friends has a father who is very much into biking and he has been restoring an old Honda CB250, she wants to do her CBT and start riding.
One thing keeps popping into my mind, the CB250 which must be fairly old, will it be low-powered enough to be legal to ride on a CBT and provisional licence?
IIRC my Honda Xr125 had about 15bhp, if a CB250 starts off with 21ish surely it must be around 15.
Thanks in advance.
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The Honda CB250N 'Super Dream' stopped being Learner Legal in 1982, when they introduced the 125 learner laws.
Don't matter how much power it doesn't make, its TOO BIG.
Would have to do full suite of tests, CBT, Theory/Hazard, Mod 1 & Mod2, to get a licence to ride it legally on the road.
However, it would be 33bhp complient to ride on an A2 'Restricted' licence, obtained by taking the test on a 125, rather than having to do DAS. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Mmm, what part of "250 is more than 125" was confusing you?
Yes, it's a daft limit: it should be power and power-to-weight like the A (restricted) and pending A2, but 30 seconds of research would tell you that the limit for L riding on a CBT is 125cc. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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Hah, I did say I had no idea about restricting  |
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Haha I know it was a stupid question, I was rather hoping there be some sort of loophole with engine size like there is for a restricted licence.
But neigh.  ____________________ 08/11/2007 A2 Passed.
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| Nai wrote: | Could he / she restrict it to 15bhp?
*has no idea about how restricting bikes works* |
Well, THEORETICALLY......
Could remove a piston!
Back in the immedietly 'post' 125 Learner laws, plenty of people tried such 'stuff', because, there just WEREN'T many second hand learner legal bikes about..... there WERE however shed loads of old 250 Super Dreams or old Air cooled Suzuki GT250's or Yamaha RD250's, abused by a succession of teen age loons, knocking about, worth very little, as learners could no longer ride them, and full licence holders didn't want thrashed crashed 'little' bikes.
The hinged 'sidewinder' wheelbarrow side car, was the more common 'cheat' to be able to ride one on L-Plates, 'out fits' exempt from L plate capacity restriction on Solo's.
Knew one lad that rode a CB900F, the 'fire Blade' of its era, on L's with a side winder attached!
Another, with half a dozen CB250's in bits in his garage, did try removing a piston.... it wasn't very successful! 250N was a sleeved down 400, and rather heavy to begin with, and as I recall, he never actually got it on the road!
Something to do with the balancer shaft.... but whether that was the Super dreams natural rattly balencer shaft chain problem, or the fact that he removed it to solve that problem, or the fact that without the second conrod & piston, the 'balencer shaft' became an 'imbalencer shaft' I have no idea....... ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Sorry, no. 250 requires that you pass an A (big boy bike) or A2 (125cc) test. Either one gets you an "A" license, but if you sit an A2 test on a 125, there's a 2 year restriction to 25kW / 33bhp (and .16kW/kg). ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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