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Nai
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: I quite like a bike from China - I need a slap... :( Reply with quote

Yes yes yes I know, we don’t do Chinese bikes... I got a dealer within a 2 minute walk from my house for Sinnis bikes. A Brighton based company that have bikes made in China. Ewwww Chinese bikes!

But then I saw this....

https://www.sinnismotorcycles.com/images/bikepics/gallery%20Sinnis%20Trackstar%20125cc%202.jpg

https://www.sinnismotorcycles.com/images/bikepics/gallery%20Sinnis%20Trackstar%20125cc%203.jpg

https://www.sinnismotorcycles.com/images/bikepics/gallery%20Sinnis%20Trackstar%20125cc%206.jpg

Its about £1500 new, so price wise screams don’t touch me... But I thought it was kinda cute. Has the sorta baby 60's scrambler look. Worse... I looked at MCN... yes yes yes I know we don’t read MCN and take it seriously but they rated it pretty good Neutral

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Sinnis/Sinnis-Trackstar-125-2010-current/

So while I was passing by today looking for new indicators I sat on it. Its didy! Not quite cbr 125 didy but it is small. Had that sorta Jack Russel thing about it. You good imagine it giving a 'Grrrr ima big doggy!'. Costs about £80 to insure... Id love one as a winter hack for next year...

In one day I have oogled a baby scrambler, that’s made in China, and read MCN and took it seriously (which I am told I should never do Sad ).

Someone slap me Sad

(or find me a really cheap secound hand one >.> )
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed I have to admit.. i like it too Surprised Very Happy Sinnis are supposedly one of the better makes
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does look quite stylish
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of the Honda CLR125, cityfly.

https://cityfly.free.fr/honda_clr125_cityfly_clue01b.jpg

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PostPosted: 12:23 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t tell me that I want it more now Sad

Got a bit of a thing for all the old BSA Bantams and that as well. Just kinda like the 60s look in compact forms Sad
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all comes down to warranty and resale. Sinnis are trying to build a brand, so you might get lucky on the former. It's the latter that'll be more likely to nob you.

Oh, and "Chinese bike" is pretty much a non sequitur. The YBR 125 is a "Chinese bike" as are many other 125s now (pop the seat off a modern Vespa and see where it's made).

Chinese-branded is what you mean, and Sinnis is a British brand. You might get lucky on the resale.

That's a lovely looking bike, and might make a great used purchase. Bought new though, you really have to do the sums and see if you can afford the depreciation.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Roger, been having a bit of a google, engines are made in a factory that make Suzuki engines (recent merger). Guessing that means the build quality should be higher than the Skyteam'esque brands.

Might keep en eye open for a secound hand one. Still in the mind of running the Rieju into the ground before trading up for a new main bike. But as a cheap 2nd bike, id kinda like one of these Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

See if it survives a 30 minute test ride Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't call Sinnis british at all, despite the importers brand name. Superbyke which is another Chinese brand make exact replicas of the Sinnis brand. So its Chinese regardless.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
I wouldn't call Sinnis british at all, despite the importers brand name. Superbyke which is another Chinese brand make exact replicas of the Sinnis brand. So its Chinese regardless.


Sinnis is as British as Superbyke. The Superbyke "RCC125" is manufactured as the HN125-8 by Jiangmen Dihao Motorcycle Co, and marketed by them under the Houniao and Haotian brands. Superbyke is just branding it as an RCC125 for the UK market. The Lexmoto Vixen is the same bike as well.

Yes, I know its complex, but if you dismiss it as "Chinese regardless" then why not say the same thing about the YBR125, or Vespas? They're all made in Chinese factories, from Chinese parts, by Chinese workers.

I'll answer the question for you: it matters which Chinese factories, parts and workers are involved.


Nai wrote:
True Roger, been having a bit of a google, engines are made in a factory that make Suzuki engines (recent merger).


Do you know what factory / manufacturer that is?

I ask because Dihao (mainland China) and Kymco (Taiwan) recently announced a venture to use Kymco's Euro 4 compliant engines in Dihao's bikes. Those are two of the better manufacturers.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ack... Dunno.. Came across something while googling Sinnus. They all use the same Suzuki GS(?) engine across the range that comes from a factory just merged with Suzuki. Will look over my history to see if I can find it.

Edit - Found :

Linking to Wiki as a source... Sorry!


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Jinan Qingqi Motorcycle Co., Ltd (simplified Chinese: 济南轻骑摩托车股份有限公司) is a Chinese manufacturer of mopeds, quadbikes and other small engine & electric motorcycles originally founded in 1956. The QINGQI brand is probably the best know moped brand in modern China and the company is one of the larger manufacturers of small engine motorcycles in the world but is almost completely unknown outside its home turf, it is however a large OEM provider to companies such as Cycle Union [1], Suzuki and Peugeot[2]. In the case of the latter 2 companies that has eventually lead to the formation of joint ventures including JQ/Suzuki venture called Plum Qingqi Motors company that is based in Pakistan and also trades using the Qingqi trademark.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinan_Qingqi
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Sinnis I saw in the flesh still looked in one piece today, I haven't scrubbed it off my list just yet Smile
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well theres a place near me that sells them too (I was also quite taken by the style) so at least thats two shops to get parts from, a positive with the Chinese bikes!

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PostPosted: 18:41 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want one!

Got some serious retro cool going on.
Gonna keep an eye out for second hand ones.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ascetically it's alright.
Mechanically it's very much lacking a flaming rag in the rank.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be taken in. You know those girls who seem really fit when you're in a dimly lit club and have had a skinful...think of Chinese bikes like that. However viable it seems at the time, you will bitterly regret it and hate yourself if you go ahead and do it.

Having said that, it's certainly not the most shabby looking bike I've ever seen. But 1500 notes for something Chinese is madness Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Sinnis as my first bike, sold it on to someone else when I passed my test and it hasn't killed him yet.

He lives just down the road from one of my mates and parks it outside his house, so every time I go past I get a nostalgic feeling Laughing

It looked a bit like this:
https://www.seabankmotorcycles.co.uk/uploads/images/apache%20gold-1.JPG

Although it was much closer looks-wise to nowhere_elysium's sinnis, i.e a total rat Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read in motorcycle trader that the uk importer has a chinese guy working for them who has relatives working at the factory, helps with translating problems and improving the brand.
The chinese bike thing won't go away, but like the japanese there will be a lot of smaller companies swallowed up and a few bigger firms will emerge with quality products, they need to rename with something less chinese sounding or at least we can pronounce
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that. Embarassed


Not to sure on the beige tank though. Wonder if they'll swap my NSR for one lol.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what Sinnis, Lexmoto and Superbyke are doing. Lexmoto have successfully got the "Lexmoto Vixen" onto most insurers' lists, unlike the identical Huoniao / Haotian / Superbyke brandings. Pro tip: get a best quote using the Lexmoto, then call them up and say "Come onnnnn..."

And is it really, truly so hard to accept that the YBR is a Chinese bike, made in China, from Chinese parts, by Chinese workers? It is, it really is, it's a Chinese bike. Take a deep breath and try to let it into your heart, it all gets easier after that. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 04 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
And is it really, truly so hard to accept that the YBR is a Chinese bike, made in China, from Chinese parts, by Chinese workers? It is, it really is, it's a Chinese bike. Take a deep breath and try to let it into your heart, it all gets easier after that. Wink


After sitting on one at a dealer's, yes, I can believe it was made in China Smile
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PostPosted: 02:24 - 05 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite like it too.

Its not trying too hard to impress, Twin rear shocks, quite a bit of black and simple design.

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Ps. Will it blow up ?
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