HID Colour Matching to normal bulb

[dragstaar]

Hi

First off, all those tart haters need not read on!

I have an HID kit, 6000k, and its a nice white with a hint of blue light.

Now I want my main beam to match. at the moment the main beam looks very yellow in comparison. I can't do a HID conversion on the mainbeam because HIDs don't like being flashed.

So, I need an "HID Look" bulb to match my HID. Does anyone know which ones (can be cheapo on ebay) that'll match an HID 6000k? Don't need to be as bright, just colour match.

[R6jonny]

i have hid mainbeams on my car and bike... they arent very bright on a flash but after a couple of seconds they are very bright
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[rac3r]

Some of the cheapo ones actually have the K rating but it will never be the same. Just have to try and get as close as you can!

The high beam is never on though is it?
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[dragstaar]

This is the point, I hate having a silly one-eye blind headlight. I'm a tart, and want both on. I've dropped the aim of the main beam right down so it doesn't dazzle, and that way I can keep them both on.

Yeah, the issue is, I've bought some bulbs which were "ice White 6000k" but they still look yellowy next to my HID one.

You reckon an "Ice Blue" one will do the trick? I think thats the one the boy racers go for?

[dragstaar]

I always thought you can't have HID main beams because they ruin your battery. 12000v drawn to ignite the gas, and if you flash twice, you've drawn a hell of a lot of power

[The Tot]

I think you're better off finding the chavviest light out there with claims of 8000K-12000K since put frankly, I've had philips blue visions, osram silverstars, philips Xtreme vision and Osram X-racers all on my bikes and back to back, the bluest of those realistically is about 4000K. I've got 4300K bulbs fitted onto my HID ballast and the Xracers are only a smidge yellower. It's very noticable at night whihc one is incandescent and which one is a discharge light.

Blue visions will still be TOO yellow by comparison.

Here's an appropriate comparison on my blade

https://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/196148_10150170556600712_500990711_8302527_1494146_n.jpg

LHS - Osram Silverstar
Middle (dipped) H7R 4300K HID
RHS - Osram X racer (their claimed 4300K bulb)
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[dragstaar]

I knew you'd be the one to ask Tot.

What do you think of These

Or the other option is this

[The Tot]

You could do us a favour dude and get both and report back on the feedback. The standard light bulbs achieve their colour output by way of using filters to remove the specific wavelengths of light to produce the blues. So you'd end up with visibly less output in terms of lumens. But it will look pimp and still vaguely usable. Personally, I wouldn't rely on them if I were blasting through the country roads and back lanes at night, in which case I find that the HIDs have sufficient beam length.

The LEDs have blinding intensity but I don't think they project the light far enough for use as a high beam (running lights OK though). But seriously, it's only 3 quid, what's there to lose? I would certainly be interested in the results.
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[dragstaar]

Yup, I didn't actually think of it like that. But yeah, for the sake of being useful, i have ordered both, and will report back the findings. The LED is from Hong Kong though, and will take yonks to arrive, I shall compile my report and post it here in a month lol.

[Noxious89123]

Those standard bulbs do look very yellow next to the 4300k HID. I have some a phillips xtreme power bulb in my bike, and would say it is a very pure white, just like your HIDs, whereas the old bulb looked as yellow as thos bulbs in your pic.
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[dragstaar]

They're not standards noxious, those are the expensive ones.

At the moment, my High beam is a Philips Extreme, and it looks seriously yellow next to my HIDs. Bearing in mind though, that my HIDs are 6000K, so even more blue.

I've placed the order, I'll just have to see if either of those do the job

[The Tot]

It's all relative. If your bike only has one bulb, like your 600 FY, then it would make it seem that they're the same colour, however, putting them side by side, then yes, you can see how far off they are!

Sorry, I stand corrected with my bulbs. It's not the X-racer, but the night racer. And YES, when I put the night racer as my dipped beam, it looked very silvery and certainly much whiter that the silverstars I was using for high beam.

My picture tells the true story of what it's like side by side. If you can see a visible difference between 4300K HIDS and supposedly 4000K night racers (the ones supplied in those nifty helmet boxes), then the gulf will be ever mor evident at 6000K.

Just for comparison,

this photo below was of my old 6000K versus osram silverstars!

https://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2227/10/100/500990711/n500990711_2056662_7388.jpg

And, in isolation, on its own, the Osram Night racers DO look white

https://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/164725_10150134528115712_500990711_7882294_2108676_n.jpg
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[dragstaar]

wow, are you sure those are 4300k tot?

Because i got mine as 4300k from the same place you got yours, and they were brilliant white. not a hint of blue. Your picture looks exactly like my 6000k which i ordered afterwards from the same people.

[The Tot]

The one from the picture directly above was from my 1st HID set - those were 6000K hence the hint of blue.

My recent ones (first pic) were the 4300 H7R's which I ordered and it DID state 4300K on the actual labelling on the loom.

Both were bought from HIDS-Direct, although my first one was a cock-up. I specified 4300K and they sent me 6000K instead. I weren't complaining however. My ZX6R's were also 6000K and the looked like

https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v322/10/100/500990711/n500990711_1293282_962.jpg
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[kfc v lot]

Ok well I'll just add that all those blue effect and HID ones are wank in the dark..
My friend has a set in his 106 for main beam and honestly I you cannot see that far ahead. This became really telling when the other week he had his MOT so had to put normal bulbs in. Suddenly you could see...
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[dragstaar]

But i don't care how dim it is. My dipped beam is a full HID conversion, and lights up the road amazingly. The main beam makes very little difference to visibility. I Just want to be able to run both lights so that my bike doesn't look like someone's poked it in one eye. And I want the colours to match. i know that they're going to be dim in comparison, but the HID looks dim too because its a focused beam pattern. So all the light hits the road surface rather than dissipating. So brightness should hopefully match okay, Just need matching colours.

Apparently both the bulbs have been shipped, so begins the waiting game!

[weasley]

If you're going to run your main beam all the time, then why worry about whether an HID likes to be flashed?
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[dragstaar]

this is true...

But i was worried about whether or not the fact that two HID ballasts are going to be drawing 12000v each from the battery at the same time to ignite the bulbs is going to be too much for my battery and the charging system.

And I will still flash my main beam, by turning it off and on again lol.

[t121anf]

can a bike supply 12,000 volts?

i mean this claims to be 12,000volts and i won't want this under my fairing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9rsQvb8SZE

[The Tot]

If that's the case, for definition and bling purposes, I think that the LED light may serve that purpose well. It gives the appearance that both lights are showing. It's high intensity and based on the fact that most of the forums/descriptions have said that the LEDs aren't really meant to be used as driving light, then it'll give that HID look for not a lot of watts.

It's a shame that I REALLY do need my high beams for country roads
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[Kickstart]

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[dragstaar]

I are confoos.

My HID ballast says 12000v on it? I was told that a huge current is used to ignite the gas, then it settles at a low power consumption.

Anyone care to enlighten? I thought i had HIDs down, but apparently not

[Kickstart]

Hi

Err, electrics is a very big weak point.

Best I can think of is to explain it as a physical equivalent. Voltage is like the height between 2 points (say water tanks). If they are (say) 12 feet apart you can't make them more than 12 feet apart. It is the potential difference between their start and end points. Amps would be the amount of water in a specific time that is being sucked from one point to the other. Suck more and you might over come the ability of the pipes to carry it.

That is a very crude analogy (and hopefully someone can come up with a better one without delving into electrical concepts).

The important bit for flattening your battery is the power consumed (watts), with volts * amps = watts. Most HID lights draw a fairly small amount of power when they are working, although likely more at the point they are firing up. If they are internally using 12000 volts then that isn't really that important externally (they will still be taking a nominal 12V, just converting that up to their operating voltage internally). Even if they draw 100 watts for a brief moment at 12V then that is still only around 8 amps. 4 headlights switched on at once and that might be a bit over 30 amps which likely will pop the fuse, but it will only draw that briefly. From memory they typically draw about 30 watts each when running, so about 10 amps at 12v for 4 headlights.

Note that aftermarket HID lights are not meant to be road legal (under UK rules only legal for original fitment, and then they need both a system to automatically keep the lights level and a system to clean them) and they have announced the MOT is being amended this year to make having them fitted a failure.

All the best

Keith
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[Kickstart]