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Gazza M
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: small cracks in front brake rotor... Reply with quote

so, i picked up my new gpz500 from the dealer's last weekend, rode it about for a bit... took it across to jimbothe's place in haverhill to pick up a helmet. he had a look over it while i was there and noticed there were 3 small cracks in the front brake rotor/disc.

i gave the dealers a ring as they put it through an MOT a few days weralier, course they shouldn't have passed it - so I'm getting a new rotor fitted free from them.

thing is it hasn't turned up yet and i'm looking to go to norwich this weekend to see a mate, i'm in cambridge, the dealer is in hemel hemstead...

so basically, should i hold off going the 60 miles to norwich until after i go to get this new rotor fitted? i'm not particularly sure of the risk associated with running a cracked disc... albeit them being max 4mm long... i can stick up a couple of photos later if needs be.

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd get the train to be honest bud. Cant imagine a shattered disc to be too much fun when your motoring along. Think you have to change at Ely but not 100% on that.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your front brake disc is cracked?
And you're thinking of riding?

Stop. Put the keys down! And don't pick them up again until its fixed!

(Brake discs have to withstand enormous braking forces, and so using one that's had enough abuse to show clear structural weakness is potentially suicide - if it fails, so does your brakes. And the time it's most likely to fail is when you use the brake hard - i.e. when you need it to work most).
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your front brake disc is cracked?
And you're thinking of riding?

Stop. Put the keys down! And don't pick them up again until its fixed!


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Hi Gazza, the cracks are not very long but are deep. I would be ringing the company and telling them to hurry up with the parts as you bought and paid for it in goodwill, only to find out that has not been properly mot'd.
500s discs are not hard to get hold of, there shouldn't be any delay. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No chance I'd ride it, not even back to the dealer.

Make them pic it up, fit the discs and then return it to you. There is always something a little suspect about the MOT when the dealer does it themself, loads of people seem to have dangerous problems on new bikes with MOTs done by the dealer.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider an MOT from a dealer to not be worth the paper it's printed on.

So, agreed, collect at their cost, fix and return at their cost, insist on having the old disc back (you paid for it, it's yours) then rat the bastards out to VOSA before they get someone killed. There's the name of an individual tester on the VT20 for a reason.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorted. Thumbs Up

theyre picking it up tomorrow morning, fitting it and dropping it back to me saturday morning. bloke on the other end of the phone didnt seem too enthused though...
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazza M wrote:
sorted. Thumbs Up

theyre picking it up tomorrow morning, fitting it and dropping it back to me saturday morning. bloke on the other end of the phone didnt seem too enthused though...


Do as Roger suggested though mate, keep the disc, it is yours afterall and it might strengthen your complaint about them as an MOT centre. Take many many photos and keep the MOT and receipt of the work too.

You might not want to cause a hassle but seriously their negligence could have cost you your life, if that had cracked and jammed in the caliper at speed you would almost certainly have come off; someone in the future might not be fortunate enough to spot it first.


I'd also ask about getting a courtesy bike (2 days to change a disc wtf?), that'll enthuse them Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike was MOT'd the month before I bought it and they passed it with an advisory on front brake disk thickness,
In realitly the disks were below minimum thickness and the semi floating rivets were extremely bad, the left hand one was on the verge of shattering from the rest off the disk it was so loose...
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it cracked across the drill-holes? I've seen quite a few like that, must be a lot of them on the road with the rider totally unwitting.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok - make that 4 places.

here's the offending pictures:
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd give the rest of the bike a good checking over before they collect it so you can add any other bits to their list of stuff to sort out.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Gazza, gonna steal your pics Laughing

For those of you who don't know what to look for (veterans please ignore)

I've (craply) circled what to look out for when a disc cracks. It can crack in a few different ways but I've found this to be the most common, between drill holes and inner/outer.
I also had a DR650 that cracked round the disc between the holes.
If you're not sure, try your thumb nail against the grain.


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PostPosted: 18:36 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The proper way to prevent cracks propagating further is to drill a hole at the end. Since there is already a hole at each end of the crack I'd just ignore it and carry on as before.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimbothe wrote:
Sorry Gazza, gonna steal your pics Laughing


really should've done it myself Razz

looking at the brown-ish stripe round it i reckon its been fairly hot in the past...! only shows up proper with the flash on!
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The proper way to prevent cracks propagating further is to drill a hole at the end. Since there is already a hole at each end of the crack I'd just ignore it and carry on as before.


While I agree with your logic, it was bought from a dealer with a fresh mot on it that the dealer had done. I'm not aware of a mot station in the country that will allow a cracked brake disc to pass, even with a advisory.
I still think better to get it back to the dealer who supplied it and have it changed free of charge. How quickly they accepted responsibility when Gazza rang is fairly good proof that it was most probably rushed through.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimbothe wrote:
....I still think better to get it back to the dealer who supplied it and have it changed free of charge. How quickly they accepted responsibility when Gazza rang is fairly good proof that it was most probably rushed through.


...and if the OP has any alternative choice elsewhere, I'd avoid going back there in future if I was you
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dazbo666 wrote:
...and if the OP has any alternative choice elsewhere, I'd avoid going back there in future if I was you


definitely. only reason i went there was because the bike was there! i think i'll stick to the local one...
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimbothe wrote:
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That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The proper way to prevent cracks propagating further is to drill a hole at the end. Since there is already a hole at each end of the crack I'd just ignore it and carry on as before.


While I agree with your logic, it was bought from a dealer with a fresh mot on it that the dealer had done. I'm not aware of a mot station in the country that will allow a cracked brake disc to pass, even with a advisory.
I still think better to get it back to the dealer who supplied it and have it changed free of charge. How quickly they accepted responsibility when Gazza rang is fairly good proof that it was most probably rushed through.


I agree completely, better to have the disc replaced by the dealer if it's on offer. I would have no issues with riding it though.

Has anyone here seen any evidence of an actual occurrance of an exploded brake disc on a bike? I've seen a few that were cracked right across (including one that was presented for scrutineering at a landspeed meet) but never a complete failiure.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anyone here seen any evidence of an actual occurrance of an exploded brake disc on a bike?


In a word, no.

My DR one had gone almost 50% around the disc and was still holding fair and true and didn't even judder if I'm honest. I blame heavy braking and going through and over green lanes and fords though Laughing

Had a vented brake disc on a car break and it locked the front wheel solid at 30mph
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was riding it fine last weekend... i figure it's better for them to pick it up, don't need it til saturday and they said they'd get it back by then. and lets be honest, hour at most to replace it!

plus saves me a tenner on fuel Razz
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they collect your bike in the morning wave goodbye to the offending disc 'cause there aint no way that you're ever going to see it again.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd have rode that no problem, if you can ride in snow and ice then you can ride without using a front brake
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
When they collect your bike in the morning wave goodbye to the offending disc 'cause there aint no way that you're ever going to see it again.


Take it off before they get there. Say you took it off to examine it. Show them it so they can verify it and keep it. They don't need it...?

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PostPosted: 22:54 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he does that they will claim it's not the disc that they supplied on the bike.
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