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 Posted: 09:25 - 18 Mar 2002 Post subject: |
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hi
before i got my NSR i saw a bloke on a yellow mito with matching leathers. He looked the dogs bollock on it. If only they wernt so rare or expensive sigh are well
Luke ____________________ "The food was not undelicious"
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Difficult question to answer if your looking at reliability issues etc. Saw a new mito in a showroom for £3300 the other day. The frame finish looks good, as do the brakes and forks, but the details let it down, sidestand looks very rough cast, and the rear sets were not brilliant either. The plastics looked ok though, but i dont know how well it crashes. I reckon its by far the best looking 125, (apart from the Gilera GFR)and im another one who does not like the lastest bulbous looking RS125, the older RS125 Extrema was far nicer! For quality the NSR has both beaten, and its the finish and details that you notice, like the rubber covered rider and pillion pegs, etc. I have heard about many RS125s with motor problems, and cold seizures occuring, but i have not heard of so many mito's suffering seizures or blow ups as Aprilias. Then again there are lots of storys of knackerd electrics on Mito's and i have heard about rectifers, alternators, and batteries giving up too easily. The NSR seems very reliable, and i guess its as unburstable as any other japanese 2 stroke 125 engine. |
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 Posted: 10:54 - 18 Mar 2002 Post subject: |
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Hi chaps
I own a 2000 mito, the bike as not given me a days trouble in 7 mounths, i only have one complant the engine is quite noisie under 7000rpm but when u get it passed 7000rpm it is as smooth as slik and just keeps pulling all the way to 115mph who needs a bigger bike. |
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hi spencer
How much did the Mito cost you?
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 Posted: 13:50 - 18 Mar 2002 Post subject: bikes |
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i had a mate that had a yellow mito, nice bike, but always in the garage, i have an old cagiva freccia too (in spain), its not bad, quite fast, have a problem with the battery.
the rs125 isnt bad but also unreliable,
i like my nsr, starts 1st time, smooth, nice looking, sounds good and doesnt stop working in the rain!!!
the mito is gorgeous, asham the exhaust wasnt under the seat!! |
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 Posted: 14:01 - 18 Mar 2002 Post subject: |
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| Stevo wrote: |
Difficult question to answer if your looking at reliability issues etc. Saw a new mito in a showroom for £3300 the other day. The frame finish looks good, as do the brakes and forks, but the details let it down, sidestand looks very rough cast, and the rear sets were not brilliant either. The plastics looked ok though, but i dont know how well it crashes. I reckon its by far the best looking 125, (apart from the Gilera GFR)and im another one who does not like the lastest bulbous looking RS125, the older RS125 Extrema was far nicer! For quality the NSR has both beaten, and its the finish and details that you notice, like the rubber covered rider and pillion pegs, etc. I have heard about many RS125s with motor problems, and cold seizures occuring, but i have not heard of so many mito's suffering seizures or blow ups as Aprilias. Then again there are lots of storys of knackerd electrics on Mito's and i have heard about rectifers, alternators, and batteries giving up too easily. The NSR seems very reliable, and i guess its as unburstable as any other japanese 2 stroke 125 engine.
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The Mito plastics seem fairly strong. For crashability one of the Freccias we have has been dropped at least twice on each side. Yes it scratched the bodywork up and put a small crack in one panel, but nothing serious. One mechanic I spoke to said with the Freccia you can just jack the bike up under the fairing to remove a wheel as it will take it easily.
The Cagiva engines are far worse than the Aprilia ones for cold seizures. They also have a problem with the power valve. The valve needs to have the stop adjusted to prevent it touching the piston. To do this you need to remove the head.
I think the Mitos electrics are largly Japanese. The Freccia and early Mito certainly are. I think the power valve control unit is virtually the same as the TZR for example.
Not too keen on the GFR styling, and I prefer the original SP01. However, from the CX we own, the Gilera engine is not reliable. The bodywork is fairly poor quality (and seems to be getting more brittle with age), and the frame is just a few steel pressings welded together. I am not keen on the styling of the current RS. Mine is a very early one which is the one I like most, but I like them all up to around the '97 model.
Reliability wise they are all 125 2 strokes. Treat the RS well and they are reliable. Finish is good on an RS (way above the finish on my 1200 Bandit for example). All in all, if the NSR is more reliable (and according to a mechanic I chatted to at a local dealers who do loads of 2nd hand Italian imports it is worse than the RS) is is marginal. Bigger problem for the RS (as with any 125) is some of the people who own them, and that almost all rapidly get derestricted (suspect no more than 10% of the RSs on the road are still restricted) which puts more stress on the engine. Aprilia sell several thousand a year in the UK (7th or 8th best selling bike in the UK), most of whome are learners who havent yet learnt not to thrash an engine from cold. One in the local bike shop (had the day off for a few MOTs) has one in for repair that has blown up because it seized. The reason it seized is that the owner got hos mate to replace the clutch plates, and they wrecked the oil pump drive doing it. With no 2 stroke oil they wrecked the top end of the engine.
The rubber inserts on the footrests are more styling than anything else. The Freccia had them as did the '87 model Aprilia AF1, but both have given up on them since as they have aimed to make the bikes styling more sporting. From memory the Mito sidestand is quite a nice die cast aluminium item rather than the steel things used by most makers (and the RS side stand is a straight copy of a Honda one, with the small rubber foot on it!)
Personally I think the best looking 125 is the late Mito. Looks far better than the Ducati 916 that the styling is loosely based on. Maybe I should hunt round and buy one some time
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 Posted: 14:14 - 18 Mar 2002 Post subject: bikes |
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i had a mate that had a yellow mito, nice bike, but always in the garage, i have an old cagiva freccia too (in spain), its not bad, quite fast, have a problem with the battery.
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Our old Freccia would do 105mph, but speedo on that bike also read lower than any other bike we clocked it against. On the other hand it had been ported, and the power started at 9500rpm with a 10000rpm red line and the power ending at 11000.
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the rs125 isnt bad but also unreliable,
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Mmmm.
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i like my nsr, starts 1st time, smooth, nice looking, sounds good and doesnt stop working in the rain!!!
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Sounds like my RS, or the Cagiva. Only electrical problems I have had on 125s were the crappy wiring on my old MBX125, an earth problem on the clocks on the early AF1 (both of the ones we have had the same problem where the seperate earths joined together), a failed regulator on an early AF1, an ignition problem on the RS (havent yet traced it down as I just put on a spare rotor, stator and coil), and loads of problems with the Gilera CX125 (at 1200km from new the coil broke down and fired through the electronic rev counter, reducing the electrics in the clocks to a charred mess). Not too bad for around 120000km on various 125s.
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the mito is gorgeous, asham the exhaust wasnt under the seat!!
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Like the very early (C9 model) Freccia. Oh, silly story time. Moto Morini used the C9 Freccia Chassis for the Dart (used the Morini 350 v twin, later a 400). They also showed a developement off using the later Freccia bodywork but with a cut down fairing so you could see the engine. In a marketing idea from someone who obviously did not know English they called the prototype the K9!
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Hi retrofly
I paid £2,400 for it, mint w reg with 1200 miles on the clock it allso came with a meto system alarm. i wanted an nsr but at the time i just could not find one anyware. But for £2,400 i just at to buy the mito. Roll on the summer  |
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Thats bizzare!! I was walking down the street todaywith my girlfriend and could see this bike coming towards us. As it went past I saw that it was a RG500. It stopped at the lights, and when I heard the bike revving I thought to myself that it sounded like a 2 stroke.
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 Posted: 23:37 - 18 Mar 2002 Post subject: true |
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true true, thats my favourte feature on my bike, that and my loverly orange wheels  |
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