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rob-jones
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Zero to full license... Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

What it is, is I passed my CBT April 2009, and I was expecting to drive, but due to the ridiculous prices related with doing that, I opted against it.

Now, my CBT expired in April and I haven't yet done it again, nor have I been riding illegaly.

I was just wondering around how much time (estimate) it would take, for me to do; CBT, Theory, MOD1 and MOD2?

I know the demand will vary in different areas therefore there'll be less of a waiting list, I was just looking for an estimate, how long did it take you to do? (If you did)

Thanks in advance!

P.S. I'm in North Wales if that helps at all!
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you book your CBT and theory test asap and get them done, should be able to within a month depending on the waiting list at your DSA test centre.

Then it is about waiting for a slot for mod1 then waiting for a slot for mod. If you are lucky and pass everything first time you could have the whole lot done in a month but it means risking booking your tests even when you haven't completed your theory etc.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All Depends on how much £ you want to spend

If you have the cash, you can book an intensive course with a school, with block booked tests, and be 'done' inside a week.

Going it alone, repeat tests, two week minimum lead between bookings, not booking more than the 'next' test in sequence, to avoid having to cancell if you fail..... piece of string....

Personally I'd say book Theory/Hazard first & get that out the way regardless. If you use on-line booking at the moment, earliest date you are likely to get will be about three weeks, to get one convenient, average is about month five weeks.

Mod 1, I believe has a slightly longer queue, but again, three to eight weeks. Mod 2, similar three to eight weeks.

But depends on centre. Some are more heavily booked than others.

Going it solo, booking thoery, lets say four weeks, but you can book CBT in the same window, so we can knock that one out the critical. Then add five for Mod 1 after thoery, five more for Mod 2 after mod 1, and you get something in the order of twelve to fifteen weeks, perhaps three or four months, with a little bit of room in thier for slippage or having to repeat, or getting lucky on an early booking or cancellation.

Now what is the REAL question behind this?

Taking a 'stab' are you trying to figure out of its worth buying a bike to do it all on, or whether to do do lessons, or an intensive course, and figure the ecconomics? And What is it you want out of it all?
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

get the theory booked and out of the way as soon as, go for a cancellation if possible. I called my training school on the friday, and by the following friday i had a full license.
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rob-jones
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies everyone!

Teflon-Mike - Money isn't really an issue, nor is time. Basically, I just want to be able to acquire a full license so that my 2 year restriction can begin!

When you say book an intensive course with a school... does this include lessons aswell? I don't mean to sound too cocky or anything, but I don't feel as though I'll need them to pass my MOD's, I felt as though my CBT was very straight forward and the only thing I didn't excel on was my observation. Although after riding a 50cc for a year, and I have now been riding a 125 since October, I feel as though this has hugely improved, I am always checking over my shoulder, checking mirrors etc.

I'm going to book my CBT asap because I just simply want to be back on the road for the summer. Very Happy

I have recently been helping my girlfriend revise for her theory(car), which I believe has helped me a lot! I took a few mock exams on it and passed them, so if I were to put in a few hours here and there I think I'd have that nailed.

Then it's just a case of doing my MOD's. I'm hoping, because I live in North Wales, that the waiting list won't be very long, although I'm not too bothered about time!

Right I'm chatting shit now so I'll stop there haha.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob-jones wrote:
Thanks for the replies everyone!

Teflon-Mike - Money isn't really an issue, nor is time. Basically, I just want to be able to acquire a full license so that my 2 year restriction can begin!

When you say book an intensive course with a school... does this include lessons aswell? I don't mean to sound too cocky or anything, but I don't feel as though I'll need them to pass my MOD's, I felt as though my CBT was very straight forward and the only thing I didn't excel on was my observation. Although after riding a 50cc for a year, and I have now been riding a 125 since October, I feel as though this has hugely improved, I am always checking over my shoulder, checking mirrors etc.

I'm going to book my CBT asap because I just simply want to be back on the road for the summer. Very Happy

I have recently been helping my girlfriend revise for her theory(car), which I believe has helped me a lot! I took a few mock exams on it and passed them, so if I were to put in a few hours here and there I think I'd have that nailed.

Then it's just a case of doing my MOD's. I'm hoping, because I live in North Wales, that the waiting list won't be very long, although I'm not too bothered about time!

Right I'm chatting shit now so I'll stop there haha.


Well I'm doing a DAS course (for full licence in my case), and I started about 16 days ago. I've had 3 sessions so far, passed my CBT, passed my theory and passed my Module 1 (did this last monday). I've got one more session and then my Module 2 test on Friday next week with 2 hours training before.

This cost me a total of around £715 and thats about 19 hours training, CBT, bike hire, tests, gear hire etc. And fingers crossed if I pass next Friday I would have done it within a month and I had never been on a bike before in my life Very Happy

With DAS course, you can do the CBT and they will asses how much training you will need. Maybe one training for Module 1 to know what you need to do and the same for Module 2 if you have experience.

Or if you have a 125cc bike already you could try jumping in and doing your CBT with a training school and Mod 1 + 2 tests by yourself for restricted license - would be very cheap this way if you managed to pass first time.
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rob-jones
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply!

Wow, that's a LOT of money!

I think our situation differs in the fact that I have almost 2 years experience, against your none. So I don't feel as though (Really not trying to sound cocky at all, sorry if I come off that way!) I won't need training. My friend did his MOD's and said they were fairly straightforward and he believes I am capable of doing them without any problems.

I've been researching these MOD's on youtube and forums, to get the idea of exactly what you have to do, my friend has also talked me through it so I don't believe I'll have much problems passing them.

I think what I'm going to do is:

- Book my CBT asap.. so that I'm back on the road!
- Book my theory
- Then and only once I've passed my theory, I'll book my MOD1
- Then MOD2

I'm just going to book them as I pass, I don't want to be calling up to cancel if I fail my theory or whatever, time isn't really an issue so I guess this is my best option!
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob-jones wrote:
Thanks for the reply!

Wow, that's a LOT of money!

I think our situation differs in the fact that I have almost 2 years experience, against your none. So I don't feel as though (Really not trying to sound cocky at all, sorry if I come off that way!) I won't need training. My friend did his MOD's and said they were fairly straightforward and he believes I am capable of doing them without any problems.

I've been researching these MOD's on youtube and forums, to get the idea of exactly what you have to do, my friend has also talked me through it so I don't believe I'll have much problems passing them.

I think what I'm going to do is:

- Book my CBT asap.. so that I'm back on the road!
- Book my theory
- Then and only once I've passed my theory, I'll book my MOD1
- Then MOD2

I'm just going to book them as I pass, I don't want to be calling up to cancel if I fail my theory or whatever, time isn't really an issue so I guess this is my best option!


Certainly isn't cheap, and I ain't too impressed with the price myself Thumbs Down but it will get me my bike license.

I understand about the experience thing, no worries there Very Happy I've done some training with people who have been riding around on 125's for a year or more. You can see they have lots of road confidence and are used to others on the road around them.

See here for lots of info on the practical tests - https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_178328
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, if you've been riding for a while and are confident, then just book yourself, and go for cancellations. I passed Mod 1, came home, hit the DSA site and got a booking for Mod 2 the next morning. Very Happy

Some of the DSA videos on YouTube are fairly helpful with letting you know what to expect - watching the Mod 1 videos takes longer than doing the Mod 1 test.

The only thing I'd sound a note of caution about is the hazard perception in the theory. You will want to get yourself a training DVD from any supermarket and do some practice, since the scoring zones in the hazard clips can be a little peculiar - you may find yourself clicking before the spazz that produced the DVD considers that the hazard has "developed".
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did my CBT 6th May, Theory on the 21st May, 1st lesson 10th June. I've got to book a second lesson on a 500, including MOD1 practice at Garretts Green. All being well, after that, MOD1 test with MOD2 practice, then MOD2 test. trying to spread the cost if possible.
If cost is no problem, then there's always the circuit based training at Mallory Park. I think a 5 day course is about £1100 Shocked Their website is circuitbasedtraining.co.uk .....I think.
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rob-jones
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grim!

Just phoned up the CBT guy, he's going on holiday soon and won't be doing any CBT's until around July 12th! Sad
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theseprices seem expensive! My CBT was 100 quid and my DAS was 450!
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rob-jones
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they are, but as sepher said, he's paying that much as he's never been on a bike before.

Whereas a CBT is around £90-100
Theory - £30ish? (Not completely sure)
MOD1 - £15
MOD2 - I think it's £90?

So around £235 altogether?

I think..
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm halfway through mine now, done my CBT july 09 and just wanted this year to get my full licence out the way before the CBT runs out.

Did my theory in febuary so no waiting time at all.
I started on first weekend of this month (4/5th) and had my mod 1 on tuesday the 7th. Just the MOD2 now which is set for the 21st. So if all goes well i should it done within the month.

I think that is the general rule of thumb timewise if you local centre isnt as everyone else mentions heavily booked up as summer is just round the corner....(so they say!)
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob-jones wrote:
Yeah, they are, but as sepher said, he's paying that much as he's never been on a bike before.

Whereas a CBT is around £90-100
Theory - £30ish? (Not completely sure)
MOD1 - £15
MOD2 - I think it's £90?

So around £235 altogether?

I think..


That's about right, £121.50 above CBT cost. £31 for Theory/Haz, £15.50 for Mod 1, £75 for mod 2.

There re surcharges for weekend bookings, and school block bookings though.

Hinkley Rider Training, where I have Snowie booked in, doing 'lessons'... and she's been riding six years on CBT.... take note... JUST becouse you have been riding, don't mean your any good at it!... Fresh-faced, and knowing you know nothing, you are a blank canvas and can learn quickly and easily, how to impress an examiner. Going it alone, you might have survived, but chances are you'll have learned a lot of 'lazy' habbits, and been doing stuff 'wrong', and the only stuff you will have learned to do 'right' will have been by accident.... usually the accident that tough you what you WERE doing wasn't so clever!

Hence, having been riding, you are not an empty cup, you have stuff in there, that may be sour, and needs washing out, some stuff that's OK, but in all liklihood, more than a few grimed in stubborn rings, that refuse to budge, making it harder work to actually get you to test standard, over a complete newbie.

AND, approach is the biggest hurdle. Fact you are even SAYING you reckon you DONT need training, probably makes you untrainable....

You would go into lessons, thinking you know more than you do, unresponsive to learning, thinking you know it all already, and 'stuff' chucked at you by instructors all a 'waste of time'...... hence you will MISS something in there that is useful to you.... and as likely, get very little from it all.

A word of warning, for you to ponder.

Roger, is a go it aloner... he passed his test without formal lessons... he reckons that training is all a conspiracy to mystify riding a motorcycle, and fleece the gullible newbie of thier money.. he too is very unresponsive to being 'tought'... he learns by doing... usuaully doing it WRONG and has to challenge, and test presented wisdom at every opportunity..... becouse basically he's a paranoid, pict, who trusts no-one! Laughing Going it alone, is pretty much the only way he could have done it.... but there you go.....

Going it alone is doable, as Roger and others have proved. And as Roger keeps harping on, you cant pass your test in a lesson, but you can learn during a (failed) test......

At £75 a pop for a failed test, though, on top of the cost of repairs 'learning by accident'... cab be a painful and costly way about it.....

Your call..... you probably don't need, a few days of intensive training, BUT, half a dozen two hour sessions are a good way to assure a pass, without so much grief, and dont need to be THAT expensive.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took my cbt back when i was newly 16. But after turning 17, i had the full liscense taken and passed within 17 days. And this was with a mod 1 failure aswell. Theory, on my birthday. Intensive 2 days course. Fail mod one. Retake mod one. Then mod 2. All in 17 days. So it can all be done pretty damned quick if your lucky Smile
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jono600 wrote:
If cost is no problem, then there's always the circuit based training at Mallory Park. I think a 5 day course is about £1100 Shocked Their website is circuitbasedtraining.co.uk .....I think.


Trust me, cost does not equal quality! Avoid this company at all costs and please do no advise anyone to go the do their DAS with them.

Yes, spending a few hours on a race track is of some benefit but the training/instruction and equipment is horrendous.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I passed my CBT on 11 June, and did my theory, mod 1 and mod 2 in three weeks and now hold a full bike license. Smile
Took me less than three months. As long as you have a bit of road sense and do a bit of practicing and read up a LOT (these forums probably saved my ass) then you'll be fine.

Good luck to you buddy. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me:
CBT £100
Theory £62 (2nd attempt)
Mod 1 £15.50
Mod 2 £75
So £252.50

*Excluding £150 given to a canny but overpriced instructor who I just used for access to Mod 1 site (had to do at least one lesson with him on the road to confirm I was good for Mod 1 which I was, one on site practice and a final bike hire due to difficulties with my own) all the 'training' was more or less re-assurance and a chance to rehearse the Mod 1 on a test bike which I didn't have to worry about getting me to college for the next few weeks. Had no qualms doing Mod 2 with not formal training.

https://www.youtube.com/user/learn2rideVIDEOS These helped alot for me with tidying up my riding and I didn't have to fork over £50 everytime I watched them went out at night and put into practice what I learned Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 15:58 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my CBT on the 29th April and I now have my full licence.
And thats with failing MOD 1 once and MOD 2 three times!

So yes if you get cancellations and get short notice bookings, you could have your licence within a week or so.
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PostPosted: 03:43 - 09 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got mine sorted in about 3 weeks due to already having a CBT and 18 months experience, countless miles under my belt, riding every day of the week. All parts of the test were a piece of piss. As said above, got a few hours just to confirm I was all okay and for rental of their bikes. Good luck.
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