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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Hurrah my first crash! Reply with quote
Started from a standstill and entered a large roundabout. Was 'established' in the roundabout and some chap darts out so fast from the fast lane of the next entrance that I smack into his back side and fly gracefully over my bars. Ouch.

No broken bones but a NASTY pain in the neck.

Guy was pretty nice and was from Canada. His rental insurance is covering repairs including a totally bent gear lever and clutch lever.

What could I have done if anything?

Andy
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MattJ
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
At least you're not too badly hurt.

YourMumRang wrote:
What could I have done if anything?


Impossible to say without being there.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Make sure you get to hospital/doctor to get neck checked out.

You've 3 years to get claim sorted, even if you don't want to right now
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Re: Hurrah my first crash! Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
Started from a standstill and entered a large roundabout. Was 'established' in the roundabout and some chap darts out so fast from the fast lane of the next entrance that I smack into his back side and fly gracefully over my bars. Ouch.

No broken bones but a NASTY pain in the neck.

Guy was pretty nice and was from Canada. His rental insurance is covering repairs including a totally bent gear lever and clutch lever.

What could I have done if anything?

Andy



Hard to say really but it is my opinion that the overwhelmingly vast majority of accidents can be avoided by a rider regardless of who is to blame at the end.

For example better obs may have revealed:

Signs that the driver hasn't seen you.

You could potentially have seen him speeding and not slowing down as he approached the roundabout.

Other cars on the roundabout or approach to it could have blocked his view, could you of anticipated this and slowed down.

Which direction was the sun going? Could it have been blinding him, again you might of seen this and slowed down.

There are an almost infinite number of possibilities here, try and think of some you may have missed or ignored.


If you had on it on video it would be a learning experience mine field, as i'm guessing you didn't then try and think what could you have missed that could have told you to take avoiding action or slow down, did you see these things but not respond properly etc etc etc.

Get a copy of the police riders handbook and book yourself onto a bike safe course or some advanced training, it is surprising what you can predict/expect/respond to if you know what to look for.
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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think I saw him a little fast and I thought he was just one of those guys who slows at the last second. Sadly he was a Canadian who had no idea what a roundabout was.

Lesson: be more paranoid.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry to hear that.

Have you had medical attention?

Did you get all of his details?

Did the police attend?

Did you get any witness details?

Have his insurance unequivocally admitted 100% fault?

If you're not absolutely sure that you're going to get a full payout for all of your losses, then I'd suggest that you contact a specialist solicitor like www.sorrymate.com or similar.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 14 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
Sadly he was a Canadian who had no idea what a roundabout was.

Actually, THE 'roundabout' features prominantly in the Canadian Drivers Ed course, and questions about 'priority' on 'The Roundabout' are asked in the Canadian 'Theory' test, which in Canada you have to p[ass before you can have a provisional driving licence.
THE roundabout, is a common question on Driver Re-Education, courses for convicted drivers, and a well known 'phenominon'.... amongst Canadian Drivers in consequence....
THE roundabout, I believe is actually in Edmonton Alberta......
YES. Its THE Roundabout, as in THE only one they have.....
And it is quite BIZARRE trying to do do a complete mind flip and give way to the left!
I imagine it is actually EASIER for Kinook Drivers to get used to UK road systems, NOT having conditioned themselves into mirror immage roundabout systems.....
My father manages to drive down the wrong side of teh road every bludy time he comes over.... and I now refuse to get into a car with him.... So, last time he decided to simply drive into MY car, instead!
TBH he's not MUCH better in the land of mounties & lumberjacks, but at LEAST over there they have adopted the american system of dumbing down to the lowest common denominator.... giving them all automatic gearboxes so they dont have too many pedals to worry about or anything, and then arranging the roads with big wide lanes and plenty of room to fuck up when you cant pic the right one!
But at LEAST it was a Kanook..... They are a very apologetic race, on the whole... probably something to living next door the Americans... you know, bit like the quiet neighbours always appologising for the rowdies next door......

Meanwhile, as for the roundabout....... if he managed to get INFRONT of you quick enough for you to go over his boot..... you a) probably couldn't have done MUCH about hazard avoidance, spotting him early enough to do 'something' to not be there, though you probably DID have time to do some hazard avasion, and get yourself out the way!

What was your instinctive reaction?

At a GUESS, I'm going to say you saw blur accross your bow, picked the bike up, and hauled down on the anchors, in a straight line?

And in all liklihood, you ate up a whole shed load... probably thirty of forty micro seconds worth... in stunned panic NOT doing ANYTHING, before it dawned on you what was happening...... and then a few more micro seconds when you realised it WAS happening, and your brain 'flailed' trying to find an appropriate response, before 'Instinct' and utter terror just shouted 'STOP' and you braked!

I HAVE before now in a similar situation, layed the bike down further, tightened line, clipped a few of them pettalled things.... 'bedding plants' I think My Gran called them.. they have names, I know, my mother keeps telling me that they are differenc specis, and stuff, but its all Greek... or more likely Latin,. to me..... anyway, sniffy things in the flower beds in the middle..... I know they smell, My heads been IN them as I've gone round, on tighter line, using that 'nth' of an inch of tarmac between the idiot pulling out and the roundabout kerb, thumb FIRMLY on the horn, and done a full loop of the roundabout before coming back off on the exit I really wanted! Having made an extra, (Very NARROW) 'Bike' lane for myself!

Alternatively, picked up, and gone LEFT, swerving round their tail.... again, thumb firmly on the beep button.

Or OCCASIONALLY come to a complete rest, front wheel mm in front of their Drivers door..... as they have SUDDENLY realised what that 'shape' they just saw coming round the roundabout was.... and done an E-Stop, so they can wacth you swerve one way, then the other, before you realise they ent going to get the fuck out the way!

What could you have done?

Had the lightning reflexes and instincts of a cat, and the cool of a cucumber to NOT to completely shit your self THAT very split second..... (You can happily do that AFTER the event... some aged riders are so well controlled they can actually hold in the shakes and shits until they have got ALL the way home!) and use ALL your skill and dexterity to 'sort it out'....

Don't worry... a few more close calls of this sort, and you WILL acquire that sort of instinct, reaction and machine control!

Meanwhile.... just remember the golden rule...... every one else on the roads is a homicidal idiot, and they have YOU at the top pf their Death List!

Glad you are OK Thumbs Up
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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Awesome post. You win the internet and I'd say it's 100% accurate!
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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I've had a letter through saying the CBR125's a write-off. I paid 1050 for it and it's been valued at £2400! They're giving me £1950-odd and then £450-odd when it gets salvaged!

Nice turn up for the books! Only thing worrying me is this credit hire bike I've been given but I was assured it was being paid by the third party. Anyway...

I've now go a lot more money to spend on a new bike. I'm unsure what to do but here are a few thoughts:

- Buy another one for a grand and treat myself to a holiday/macbook/whatever.
- Spend it all on another 125 (yeah right!)
- Spend it on a larger bike and pay for the test (risky)
- Buy a larger bike and have it restricted to something I can ride (possible?) and then use the rest on some new gear and a direct access course

What dya reckon?
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Hyaon
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
well it beats my first crash outside of mod training.

*pulls up at end of home steep street with heavy gear in rucksack and stops*

*looks right, its clear*

*go...lean.....engine cuts out due to not enough revs due to steep hill and extra weight*

*splat at 0 miles an hour*

deeply jealous! Smile
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
What dya reckon?

I reckon you should get some insurance quotes on bikes you like the idea of, and see how much change you'll have...........

Nice settlement...... but wait and see what they try stinging you for on renewal!

I had a 'nice settlement' once upon a time... they wanted it all back for the renewal, and most of it for the renewal after that, and again the one after that!
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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ouch. Bastards. If the third party insurance assumes full responsibility etc will I still be stung?
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Nai
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
Ouch. Bastards. If the third party insurance assumes full responsibility etc will I still be stung?


Depends entirely on who your with. In theory, no, a non fault accident should not effect your insurance. In reality, it changes with every insurance company you speak to.

Glad to hear ya ok too by the way.
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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah I'm fine other than a few back twinges at work. Personal injury is in (they talked me into it) but I aint bothered what happens.

It it ever worth restricting a larger bike? Should I just (after checking insurance) buy a larger bike and pay for the direct access and bus it until then?
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
Only thing worrying me is this credit hire bike I've been given but I was assured it was being paid by the third party.


They should if they've admitted 100% fault, but don't keep it for one day longer than you absolutely have to, or the culprit's insurer might spit their dummy.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Any advice on what to do with the cash?
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 09 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guys, it's all good and well dishing out advice on what to do yeah....

But FFS! get your priorities sorted you bunch of part-timers

Clicky

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PostPosted: 09:33 - 10 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
Any advice on what to do with the cash?



CB500, DAS training and tests, police riders handbook and a bikesafe day would be a good use of the money Thumbs Up .


Save the rest for a few years time when you have outgrown the CB500 and the 33bhp restriction and want something faster.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 10 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
YourMumRang wrote:
Any advice on what to do with the cash?


Get a £1k 125. Get a full licence. Spend the rest on new gear. Thumbs Up
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YourMumRang
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 10 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm feeling that getting a larger bike and doing DAS is likely the best thing to do as I don't know when I'd be able to afford a bigger bike if I spend the money on another 125 (with the premium they have on them!).

Overall seems the most efficient use of the cash even if it leaves me on the bus for a while.

While I don't mind the CB500 I don't like it. Any other advice on what 250-500 bikes to look out for?
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