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PostPosted: 18:37 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Caused by a speeding motorcyclist.......... Reply with quote

Far too fast around a blind bend approching a junction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5T4skEAbl0&feature=related
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it you didn't read the description then.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't find the longer version of that video that pans left and shows the blind curve the biker just came out of.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
I take it you didn't read the description then.


No.....I just like to watch Confused
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Detecting sarcasm is harder than in real life.

You made a sarcastic remark in your original post with the rolley eyes thing which made me think you had just read the title of the video and assumed the guy who put it up was a n00b.

Say what you mean without the sarcasm.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You deserve to come flying off your bike going that speed, total disregard for other peoples safety
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case with further evidence of a blind bend then he should never had been going that fast and the van driver probably had no chance.

Just shows how easy it is to jump to an opinion.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livefast123 wrote:
In that case with further evidence of a blind bend then he should never had been going that fast and the van driver probably had no chance.

Just shows how easy it is to jump to an opinion.


True but my opinion was based upon everything I had available.

Either way the biker was speeding which automatically makes him partly at fault.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the thing I can't understand is why was the van pulling across the lane at a blind bend? What if it had been a lorry coming round that corner? OK the biker was possibly speeding, but what was the speed limit of the road? What would some of the riders on here do if they were coming along a country road at about 60 only to come face to face with a van on the wrong side of the road pulling into a parking area?

Sorry I think the van was totally at fault there as he was on the wrong side of the road and on a blind bend.... indicating or not
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy, I am legally allowed to lie down on a blind bend and have a nap. If you run over me you are 100% at fault.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
the thing I can't understand is why was the van pulling across the lane at a blind bend? What if it had been a lorry coming round that corner? OK the biker was possibly speeding, but what was the speed limit of the road? What would some of the riders on here do if they were coming along a country road at about 60 only to come face to face with a van on the wrong side of the road pulling into a parking area?

Sorry I think the van was totally at fault there as he was on the wrong side of the road and on a blind bend.... indicating or not


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He was pulling across a lane to turn right.
He wasn't on the wrong side of the road, he was in America.
The biker was obviously speeding. Too fast to stop in time for an obstruction.
If you didn't notice, the bike got past the van but was going too fast to control his bike and binned it.

If it was a blind bend, the biker should have been going slower.
Forming a full opinion with what little information we have is idiotic but from what we can see, the biker is at fault.

If it turns out the road was straight and the van driver just didn't look then that would be different.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

it looks like he was pulling into a parking area.... either that or there was some kind of demo going on obstructing the junction.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
Andy, I am legally allowed to lie down on a blind bend and have a nap. If you run over me you are 100% at fault.


How's that then? :s
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, in the longer versions of this video, bikers are hooning it up and down this road at Epic Speed, and there's a bend off to the left. The van driver did stop when he saw the bike, so he was paying attention. He can't be expected to give way to a potential hazard, or he'll never commence the manoeuvre.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
Andy, I am legally allowed to lie down on a blind bend and have a nap. If you run over me you are 100% at fault.



And you would 100% deserve anything that happened.

The law and intelligence/morality are often at odds.


(I'm not convinced that truly is legal btw).



As it happens the video doesn't have enough detail to form a decent opinion, if it was a blind bend then the motorcyclist was "probably" at fault.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch the vid - the van signals and starts to pull in to the turning, (there is also a car waiting to come out of that same turning), then stops.
He obviously sees the biker at the last possible minute.
Even the biker that was behind the van can be seen to be slowing for, what is given as 'a blind bend'

It could have been much worse, the biker could have gone into the side of the van - at that speed, I doubt he would have been walking again if he had lived to try.

Biker = WAY too fast for the bend if it was indeed a blind bend
Van = pulled over at quite an acute angle, obviously expected to go straight in to turning, should have anticipated traffic coming the other way

Verdict - both equally at fault but biker was speeding....
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wyldkat wrote:
Watch the vid - the van signals and starts to pull in to the turning, (there is also a car waiting to come out of that same turning), then stops.
He obviously sees the biker at the last possible minute.
Even the biker that was behind the van can be seen to be slowing for, what is given as 'a blind bend'



If it is a left hand bend out of shot then the car on the right would have had an earlier view of the motorcyclist coming around the corner than the van and would be expected to react to it earlier. however the car is stationary for some time, and whilst not indicating it appears to be positioned slightly left and waiting for traffic to pass suggesting he intends to go into the far lane and go left, you wouldn't do this with a van and series of cars approaching.





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Biker = WAY too fast for the bend if it was indeed a blind bend
Van = pulled over at quite an acute angle, obviously expected to go straight in to turning, should have anticipated traffic coming the other way

Verdict - both equally at fault but biker was speeding....



I agree, bike was too fast even if it wasn't a blind bend (approaching a hazard adjust your speed to suit).

However, given that the reported blind bend is not shown it is impossible to ascertain if the van was in anyway responsible. You cannot wait at a junction forever in case a speeding vehicle suddenly appears. Added to that and there are a load of morons stood in the junction both diverting attention and potentially altering the course of the van.


I don't think from the video that is reasonably possible to say that they are both to blame, all the video suggests is that the bike was travelling too fast. If there was not a blind bend ahead then the obs of the van can take some blame, if the bend wasn't that tight/blind (bike was travelling very fast, would have had to be a bit of a hero to go round a tight one at that speed) then the van could have some responsibility but otherwise we cannot tell as we do not know the circumstances.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding like a twat to show off, because your mates are recording. No sympathy for the biker from me in this case.

Lucky the van driver didn't forget his brakes.. It could have been a completely different end.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:

Either way the biker was speeding which automatically makes him partly at fault.


Partly? Entirely I'd say looking at the speed of the bike, plus the van driver has witnesses standing in the junction.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
The Artist wrote:

Either way the biker was speeding which automatically makes him partly at fault.


Partly? Entirely I'd say looking at the speed of the bike, plus the van driver has witnesses standing in the junction.


From the information we have in that footage.
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