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 Posted: 13:58 - 17 Jun 2011 Post subject: Will I need to remove any links, from a 15T front to a 14T |
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Considering downgearing the Fazer with a -1 tooth sprocket on the front.
Current is 15-48, so new would be 14-48.
Will I need to remove any links from the chain? It's only done 3k miles so is near the front of the adjusters.
Reckon it's worth it? ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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| Kickstart wrote: | Hi
Probably won't need to remove a link if the chain is that new.
But you won't really gain much either (if you want more umph when cruising just cruise in 5th for the same effect).
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Thanks. I didn't think I would.
Yeah, wouldn't it be more practical around town or do you think I will find I will be cruising in a higher gear to compensate the extra revs?
Also just a quick question is it worth paying the extra for a Renthal? its about £5 more.
Or would this be ok?
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-FZS600-Fazer-98-03-Front-Sprocket-151315-/180556360023?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a09ff6957#ht_2414wt_905 ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Hi
Most of the time you can have the same effect by sitting in a lower gear. Thre will be speeds where lowered gearing will be better stock gearing, and 5mph faster might well reverse it (hence if trying for perfection on a race track you can get the gearing right for the speeds on a limited number of corners).
Around town likely just means you will be changing gear more. OK, you get more umph in 1st, but I doubt you are using all the umph you already have.
Personally I wouldn't pay the extra for a Renthal sprocket over a cheap basic JT Sprockets steel one. That said, can't tell from that listing whether it is a decent steel one or just some cheapo mild steel thing.
All the best
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| Kickstart wrote: | Personally I wouldn't pay the extra for a Renthal sprocket over a cheap basic JT Sprockets steel one. That said, can't tell from that listing whether it is a decent steel one or just some cheapo mild steel thing.
All the best
Keith |
Okay, I think this looks better:
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-600-Fazer-98-03-Front-Sprocket-/170301969702?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27a6c9d526#ht_500wt_922
Only thing is I am 33 brake so it would give me a bit more whiz in the lower gears. 15 on the front is perfect when full power.
I think I will just go for the standard one I've listed above? As you say I can't really see any advantage now thinking about it. ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Ordered a Sun star one from Wemoto! Standard size . ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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The nut will last a long long time, but the locking washer might fail after a "few" changes, but don't worry about that just now. You'll be my age before that happens
Quick tip - get hold of an impact wrench (or pop into your local garage for one) to loosen the nut. Some of them can be tight, and I mean TIGHT...
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| Oldie wrote: | The nut will last a long long time, but the locking washer might fail after a "few" changes, but don't worry about that just now. You'll be my age before that happens
Quick tip - get hold of an impact wrench (or pop into your local garage for one) to loosen the nut. Some of them can be tight, and I mean TIGHT...
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Managed to get the nut off
I've got a proper torque wrench that's a good 2 feet long and my dad had a 32mm socket.
Was tight though, I had something jammed through the wheel and swing arm, my foot on the break and all my weight on the bar.
Good to know the nut will last. Saves me an extra £8 every time I do the sprocket! ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Just as an aside, you shouldn't really use a torque wrench to loosen stuff (or so I'm told) as it knackers the calibration or something.
Never stopped me though
Edit. Did you have a locking washer? If not, get one. If in doubt, do a search on a bike specific forum to see what folks recommend. |
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| Oldie wrote: | Just as an aside, you shouldn't really use a torque wrench to loosen stuff (or so I'm told) as it knackers the calibration or something.
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Whooops. I'll remember that then.
| Quote: | Edit. Did you have a locking washer? If not, get one. If in doubt, do a search on a bike specific forum to see what folks recommend. |
Yeah the nut came with a washer. I'll replace that every time I do the sprockets but hoping it won't be for a while yet!
Will it damage the new chain by using it to tighten the front sprocket nut up? Doesn't say anything about it in the haynes manual so I guess its no different front doing an aggressive launch?
will be dished out appropriatly when I get home from work! ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Gotta love Wemoto! Sprocket arrived today.
I had a quick look and got everything on, tightened up the nut. 2 things:
A: The nut doesn't feel very tight at all compared to how hard it was to loosen it, is this right?
B. I can't get the pre bend tabs on the lock washer to align with the edges of the nut. Do I just bend them over anyway? Or is there an easier way?
Thanks for all your help people! ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Right, finished it off today. All gone well I think.
Is this rivet link battered enough on the top?
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img00071-20110619-1514.jpg
Finished article:
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img00066-20110619-1512.jpg ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Wow! Clean bike
Impossible to say about the rivet from a pic, but try prising it off and see if there's any play in it. Keep an eye on it anyway. Better safe than sorry. |
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| Oldie wrote: | Wow! Clean bike  |
I do like to keep them tidy. This one is annoying me though, the paint is flaking off the engine. Going to re-paint it over the summer. I have bike and car cleanliness OCD
| Quote: | Impossible to say about the rivet from a pic, but try prising it off and see if there's any play in it. Keep an eye on it anyway. Better safe than sorry. |
Okay, no worries. It's certainly not coming off. Took it out for a good ride, had to re-adjust the chain when I got back but it feels lovely . ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 197 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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