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Robby
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saturday is good, I'm all yours.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Saturday is good, I'm all yours.

Indeed, my pretty.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 13 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small update: I've just ground down the exhaust header plates to fit: they were interfering with a cooling fin before. Should mean that the exhaust will (with luck) go straight on tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 16 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh.

Well, Robby came over this afternoon, instead of the weekend, because I had the deluded hope of getting this bike MOT'd and on the road for Sunday, in time for Father's day.
No such luck.

I spent ages making this happen:

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3209/5839911513_2bd8ac74b9_z.jpg

Only to discover that after all that sodding about, the exhaust still doesn't fit.

This is beautifully demonstrated by the following photo (which has been sent to the exhaust manufacturer).

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/5839966165_22d8968690_z.jpg

Ah well. They're on the case, and they've promised me that they're going to sort it out. I'm almost on first-name terms with the guy that makes the exhausts at Predator now, as a result of the arseache I've had with this. It transpires that although there's a picture of a GS650GT with a Predator exhaust on their website, he has no recollection of making that exhaust, so the origin of it is in question.

Much fun.

On a side note, we drained the brakes entirely, and I've since ordered a set on Venhill lines.
This bike has a talent for demonstrating ever weirder forms of accumulated gunk and crap:

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/5840459908_1ca95723d7_z.jpg

That thing leading to my hand from the reservoir appears to be residue from the seal. Whatever it is, it was bloody tough.

I'm feeling a little despondent at the moment, although this does give me the option to clean the bike up a bit more before putting it all back together again. I'm thinking of possibly doing a complete cosmetic rebuild over the winter months, too.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll brighten up when you see my fuel tank walkthrough, should get it up tonight or tomorrow. The woman is doing a late shift, so I'm going to make fumes.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
You'll brighten up when you see my fuel tank walkthrough, should get it up tonight or tomorrow. The woman is doing a late shift, so I'm going to make fumes.


Great Success Very Happy
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PostPosted: 05:26 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, time for a write-up on de-rusting the tank.

You will need:
Gloves
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_131648.jpg

Acid
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_131803.jpg

Buckets
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_131830.jpg

Something to block off the fuel tap hole. This is a little plate we made up to cover the hole, with a plastic gasket.
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_131708.jpg

Onwards to the tank. Quite rusty despite a lot of attention already.
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_131856.jpg

So it gets the plate fitted over the fuel tap hole
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_132114.jpg

and then filled with water and flushed a couple of times to produce this:
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_133415.jpg

Nice.

Then, fill with boiling water from the kettle, and add acid. In this case, 2 litres of acid along with about 16 litres of boiling water.
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_133835.jpg

Let that lot sit and fizz for bloody ages. Seeing as this tank was so scummy, I gave it about 4 hours in the end. Most rusty tanks typically only need one hour.
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_135322.jpg

Drain it down again, a lot more crap came out again. It now looks a little better, though.
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img_20110618_230456.jpg

Not sure on the next step. It's still quite rusty inside, but acid might not shift it. This may be one of the incredibly rare circumstances where I would consider a tank liner. Best to just get it fitted and use it for a while first, with a pair of inline fuel filters.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanking you. I figured that a lot of the old crap that's in there may not be too happy about shifting. On the up side, fuel filters are cheap enough, so I'm happy to give that a shot, pre-liner.

The exhaust guys reckon that the one that's on there will fit, it's just too tightly done up at the front, and that I'm supposed to tighten it up progressively from the rear (fnar).

I'm going to try refitting it today, and I may also get to test my new generator, if I can get hold of some polishing heads for my drill.

I'll post photos as appropriate later on.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if it will fit, there's still going to be a huge amount of clearance between the bottom of the frame and the exhaust. Enough to ground out on speed bumps.

Exactrep might make something that fits.

I got your text - can come over on Sunday if you're free.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you not have used vinegar for de-rusting the tank? It might take longer and stink like fook, but it's probably less hazardous to use, and less problematic with disposal.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowhere near strong enough. You need strong acid at high temperature to have a hope of it working.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Even if it will fit, there's still going to be a huge amount of clearance between the bottom of the frame and the exhaust. Enough to ground out on speed bumps.

Exactrep might make something that fits.

I got your text - can come over on Sunday if you're free.


Dunno if you got the follow-up text, but my plans have been buggered about some more. Saturday's the day, most likely. Apologies for the protracted period of sodding about, there.

As for the pipes, I reckon that if we can line it up from the back, then there's every chance there'll be enough clearance. Provided the can can be anchored properly where it should be, there's no significant reason why it'll foul on speed bumps.

Either way, I'm gonna give it another shot at lining it all up, and if it doesn't work, then I'm getting my money back, with a written apology.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Even if it will fit, there's still going to be a huge amount of clearance between the bottom of the frame and the exhaust. Enough to ground out on speed bumps.

Exactrep might make something that fits.



Exactrep list a Marshall 4-1 for the GS650GL, which is essentially the same bike; they also list one for the 650 Katana, so one of them should fit.

I'd be amazed if you can get that pipe to look OK and remain gas tight, it looks a long way out.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:

Exactrep list a Marshall 4-1 for the GS650GL, which is essentially the same bike; they also list one for the 650 Katana, so one of them should fit.

I'd be amazed if you can get that pipe to look OK and remain gas tight, it looks a long way out.


Yeah, I've since seen the Marshall system, and I'm quite disappointed with the whole experience of this exhaust thus far. I'm going to give it one more shot, just to see if aligning it from the back of the bike first makes any difference. I don't personally reckon it will: I'm wondering if they've just said that in order to buy some time.
If it still refuses to fit, then I'm demanding a refund on Monday.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 24 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my nostalgia anorack on, for me the big advantage with the Marshall is that it could have been fitted when the bike was new, so (to me at least) it will look aesthetically correct.

Plus it's only 250 sheets, which seems like good value.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 25 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
With my nostalgia anorack on, for me the big advantage with the Marshall is that it could have been fitted when the bike was new, so (to me at least) it will look aesthetically correct.

Plus it's only 250 sheets, which seems like good value.


This is very true. I've also just found a youtube video of one, and it sounds pretty awesome. Also means that I can get some money back, to spend on other important things, like MOT and tax.


:edit: I've started the ball rolling on getting the Predator exhaust returned. Got to call back on Monday to talk to the relevant people, but they're aware that I'm not going to back down without a refund now.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 27 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minor Update: the Predator exhaust is being taken away tomorrow, and the new Marshall Deeptone is being delivered, hopefully, at the end of the week.

I'll post pictures as and when they happen.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 01 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, minor update.
The money for the Predator is being refunded, and the new exhaust should be here on Monday.
Robby's over on Sunday, with my newly re-treated tank, and with a bit of luck, we should have the last of the bits sorted out in time for the exhaust's delivery.
More to follow in a couple of days.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a bit more done yesterday: Robby showed me how to bleed brakes quickly and efficiently, which is all good.
The tank is also looking properly good: there's still a tiny amount of rust in there, but it's minimal.

The bike as it stands:
https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5031/5900541814_4fdf67e801_z.jpg

The fuel sender gaskets leak at the moment: not majorly surprising, and they were pretty cheap to replace. They're being despatched tomorrow, and the exhaust should be here today, with a bit of luck.

Things done yesterday:
Refit tank,
Refit headlight,
Change shaft oil,
Fit brake lines (Venhill use a brilliant system for fitting: I highly recommend them),
Bleed brakes,
Tighten bolts and stuff in general (will go over them all again, before MOT)

Things what remain to be done:
Fit exhaust,
Fit new gaskets,
Sort out seat catch (got the metal to do this, just a matter of finding the time/opportunity.


:update:
Ha Ha! The exhaust is here!
https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5315/5900615236_3c28f05921_z.jpg

https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5192/5900048829_3ceb6283d9_z.jpg

Yay for shiny new can. Amusingly enough, the quality of welding on this is significantly higher than on the Predator exhaust, too. Not bad for half the price...

Provided I get the time this evening, I'll be fitting the exhaust tonight. If I can, then I'll get a video of it running: there should still be enough go-juice in the float bowls for a couple of minutes' running.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Mr. Green Thumbs Up

I look forward to seeing and hearing this fitted to the bike Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good Thumbs Up

You gonna pack that exhaust up again and make an unboxing video for us
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
You gonna pack that exhaust up again and make an unboxing video for us


Why in God's name would he do something boring like that? Unless you have some sort of fetish?

Good work Mr Elysium and Robert.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

T'was a joke you muppet Wink

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PostPosted: 16:25 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:


You call me a muppet and you're the one who filmed an 'exhaust unboxing video' Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 04 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not me some other numpty Laughing
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