Compulsory to be a Dayglow Derrick?

[CaNsA]

Ripped from MCN Clicky

[Dazbo666]

All I can say is that MCN tend to be very sensationalist with their stories and headlines.
I've long since stopped reading it...
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[ThoughtContro...]

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=222795

That MCN article is crap. It's got no date on it.

Also it was yesterday according to Rogerborg's post, so too late anyway.

There's not alot you can do about it in the UK. If it becomes a European directive then you are screwed, because you're just another EU region so lap that shit up like good little puppies, because whatever they dictate, that's what you'll be doing. Whether that's mod 1's and swerve tests at 50kph, tighter emissions regulations, licence restrictions or whatever. Just like with everything else.

If you don't like it then move to a free country outside the EU, like maybe Libya, where Mr Q is giving out free AK47s to fight the forces of EU tyranny

Expect this crap to come in incrementally. First it'll be the DSA implementing no test unless wearing a high viz. Then it'll be anyone on L plates must wear a high viz. Expect Teflon Mike to join in the cheering on that one, as they're a hazard on the road, it's a privilege to be allowed to wear one until they've done their test etc

Then it'll probably go full blown.

If you don't like it go hassle your Euro-MP, tho expect him to be on a holiday, err I meet fact finding mission to an exclusive resort somewhere.
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[Rogerborg]

Hmm, Google News finds nothing for the demo, which means that it effectively didn't happen.

[ThoughtContro...]

I would argue that the problem with small bikes is not that they don't see you, mine has it's lights permanently on, it's that they consider you an insignificant little turd, little more than a cyclist, that they can mow down or bully about at will, and there is nothing you can do about it.

I'd argue that 125 riders should be able to carry an automatic pistol to shoot offending car and van drivers in the head, thus eliminating any future problem. Just a modest proposal
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[kramdra]

The thing that concerns me far more is the ban on old bikes. Why is this not at the top of the list!?!?????????????


I hear they are planning similar in france for cars. Id like to see it on HGV's first!



You are expected, when with a riding school (DAS or not!), to wear their hi-vis vests. Its advertising for them also. If you dont want it, dont use a riding school.

I will not be wearing one for my DAS test, and I wont be having DAS instruction (because of cost!)



ABS and OBD is a *GOOD* thing. We want this. Why has it taken so long to reach bikes?
It would remove chinese brands from the map for a start. I would be quite happy with a ban on drum brakes on new bikes, also.

[Andy_Pagin]

If you're going to hold a demo like this it needs to be held in central London, professionally organised, well publicized and ideally end up with a sane articulate spokesperson handing a huge petition to the transport minister in front of the worlds' media. Making a minor nuisance of yourself in Brum is a waste of time.
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[rac3r]

Stuff the Hi Viz it's the bit about not being allowed to modify your bike!!!

So that means no sprocket changes, no exhausts, no aftermarket filters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Surely this will just destroy the aftermarket industry?
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[Rogerborg]

[Cheeseybeaner]

You want compulsory ABS or linked braking on all bikes?! Why?
Can't think of anything worse that would take away the factor of rider skill from motorcycling.
As to banning drum brakes! What planet are you on that that should be an issue?? Bizarre.
As to hi viz how do you define what's acceptable? Buy a hi viz vest and it gets so dirty after a weeks riding it can be far from hi viz anyway. A load of unworkable bollocks I think.

[Andy_Pagin]

I think linked brakes could be lethal, being able to intuatively balance braking according to road and weather conditions is critical.

As for abs, I once relied on it in an emergency stop in my Ford Explorer and rear ended a car. If I'd been driving my 1967 Landrover I'd have swerved around instead. That rapid juddering when abs kicks in has a horrible mind freezing psychological effect.
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[Bendy]

[Cheeseybeaner]

[MinhDinh]

We should do it French style and burn some shit up.
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[Teflon-Mike]

[blurredman]

I'm not the one driving 30mph then slowing just a yard before a give way!

ABS, Airbags, more lethal then not.
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[Lone-Wolf]

[Cheeseybeaner]

[Andy_Pagin]

[bazza]

[MinhDinh]

I am against being forced to wear a Hi vis, but I also think it probably saves lives.
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[kal9001]

I cant help but to think that a ban on old bikes is just to drive the market for people to buy new ones. I would guess that statistically someone who has ridden the same bike for 20 years and never crashed it is far less likely to crash than the guy who drove different cars for 20 years and just bought a brand new fireblade.

Assuming theres no ABS in what way is a new 1000cc Fireblade "safer" than the old 900cc Fireblade that may be 10 years old by now?
Will this spill out into cars as well if this gets through will cars older than 7 years be banned. I would say that this situation would in fact detract from road safety as it would limit public investment...e.g.

At the moment you may go and pay a premium to buy a brand new Toyota with all the modern crash protection stuff. Knowing that when your done with it in 7 years you have a resale value to buy your new car.
If we live in a world where 'old' cars are banned you cant buy this very safe car anymore because you know that you cant resell it after 7 years, it has to be crushed, So what do you do...You buy the cheapest piece of shit you can find that you dont care if its worth bugger all in 7 years because it wouldnt be anyway! So instead of safe expensive cars everywhere you get cheap shit everywhere and people dying more from smaller accidents!

I think I heard not too long ago that this is or has already happened with Taxis in the UK.

As for the high vis thing. It would be very annoying. Why not force all cars to have a reflective paint jobs and lights that stay on all the time, if there making bikes do this then why should cars be made to do this!?
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[Rogerborg]

Oh, this again?

NTBPT = good cause[1], questionable tactics. But by Jove they had a good go.

The "antics" got two legal challenges funded, but the legal teams (IMO) then ballsed them both up a treat. Ah well.

However, the Trafalgar Square protest was primarily a marketing ploy and a fund-raiser - it was never going to blackmail WCC into caving in. Why would they care? It seems completely counter-productive now, and even reduced to monthly I can't see the point.

However, the No To Mob (Judean People's Front) offshoot looks like a hoot. Assisting scamera cars to become the "visible deterrent" that they claim to be? What's not to like about that?

I know they're different campaigns now, but NTM did come from NTBPT (People's Front of Judea), so credit where credit is due.

Now... if anyone still cares, unleash the Nobcat.

[1] Motorcycles are a solution to urban congestion - ask the Chinese. Or Top Gear, who do their urban filming from bikes.
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