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PostPosted: 09:35 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: i want a 125 cc bike but what makes a good learner Reply with quote

i'm looking for a good 125 as i'm still on l plates cos i just not good enough yet in my books to ride that 600 i've always dreamed of but experience is what i need
i thought about a honda cg like i said i'm a learner so i don't want to be power banded up nor make more noise than a rocket taking off any good tips for a first bike ????? Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: i want a 125 cc bike but what makes a good learner Reply with quote

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i'm looking for a good 125 as i'm still on l plates cos i just not good enough yet in my books to ride that 600 i've always dreamed of but experience is what i need
i thought about a honda cg like i said i'm a learner so i don't want to be power banded up nor make more noise than a rocket taking off any good tips for a first bike ????? Rolling Eyes Laughing


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PostPosted: 09:41 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on budget tbh, if your going to get a sportsbike when you pass, try and get a 125 sportsbike.

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YBR125

(Sports style)
CBR125
Hyosung GT125 (nakes or sports)
YZF-R125

Theres plenty of good 125's around, just steer clear of the temptation to buy a new chinese bike for £700 on the road, as you get what you pay for!

The YBR seems pretty popular with riding schools and the like as they are good little runners and reliable.
Also cheap to insure and fix.

4 strokes are less problematic and generally quieter than 2 strokes.

THe CBR, GTR and YZF are all a little more flash, therefor they are more expensive to repair and insure.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG will get you learning well, get you through your test and keep you running regardless of how you treat it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything just avoid the pink powerbands. They're new and much faster than the red ones. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

adamck wrote:

(sit up and beg style)
YBR125

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The YBR is a great bike to learn on, pretty nippy around town, struggles above 60 although will do 70 on a dual carriageway long as it isn't too windy.

Looks pretty decent as well if you get a tidy one, is a more expensive version of the CG really though which you can pick up for next to nothing. Both incredible fuel economy and insurance should be pretty low although my insurance halved when I moved up to the 600 under the same circumstances and in a rougher area.

I'd check out both the CG and YBR although I would have easily be tempted by the R125 if I wasn't looking to go up to anything bigger.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on your budget but a CBR125 is cheap to run, fairly fast and a little sporty. Although they cost more than a CG125 to buy.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: i want a 125 cc bike but what makes a good learner Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
leonski wrote:
i'm looking for a good 125 as i'm still on l plates cos i just not good enough yet in my books to ride that 600 i've always dreamed of but experience is what i need
i thought about a honda cg like i said i'm a learner so i don't want to be power banded up nor make more noise than a rocket taking off any good tips for a first bike ????? Rolling Eyes Laughing


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thanks for the tip.
you sound like one of my teachers ?
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need is a CG, cheap to buy, cheap to insure, Cheap to run and most importantly it is cheap to drop

put any extra money you have towards your training and test
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="##Paddy##"]CG will get you learning well, get you through your test and keep you running regardless of how you treat it Thumbs Up[/quote

this is the same thing i find being said,
well i got through enough cars when i started to drive,
so this could be a better buy, if i dont want alot of garage invoices
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Anything just avoid the pink powerbands. They're new and much faster than the red ones. Laughing



lol thank you but i'm clued up on those pink power bands
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
It depends on your budget but a CBR125 is cheap to run, a tiny bit faster than a CG (70mph max, it's only 13BHP) and looks a little sporty. Although they cost more than a CG125 to buy. It'll hurt more in the pocket if you drop it too


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duhawkz wrote:
All you need is a CG, cheap to buy, cheap to insure, Cheap to run and most importantly it is cheap to drop

put any extra money you have towards your training and test


What this dude said. Do your test on your CG. Get it done before they change the licensing rules. Buy whatever bike you like and restrict it to 33BHP for two years. The bike will cost the same as any sporty looking 125, sometimes a bit less. Costs more in insurance and petrol if you get something with lots of performance, but that's the trade off.


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Do your test


Before they kill biking off.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
MinhDinh wrote:
It depends on your budget but a CBR125 is cheap to run, a tiny bit faster than a CG (70mph max, it's only 13BHP) and looks a little sporty. Although they cost more than a CG125 to buy. It'll hurt more in the pocket if you drop it too


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duhawkz wrote:
All you need is a CG, cheap to buy, cheap to insure, Cheap to run and most importantly it is cheap to drop

put any extra money you have towards your training and test


What this dude said. Do your test on your CG. Get it done before they change the licensing rules. Buy whatever bike you like and restrict it to 33BHP for two years. The bike will cost the same as any sporty looking 125, sometimes a bit less. Costs more in insurance and petrol if you get something with lots of performance, but that's the trade off.


Teflon Mike would have wrote:
Do your test


Before they kill biking off.


im on it big time Laughing but i plan to do my full licence with in this year
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
MinhDinh wrote:
It depends on your budget but a CBR125 is cheap to run, a tiny bit faster than a CG (70mph max, it's only 13BHP) and looks a little sporty. Although they cost more than a CG125 to buy. It'll hurt more in the pocket if you drop it too


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duhawkz wrote:
All you need is a CG, cheap to buy, cheap to insure, Cheap to run and most importantly it is cheap to drop

put any extra money you have towards your training and test


What this dude said. Do your test on your CG. Get it done before they change the licensing rules. Buy whatever bike you like and restrict it to 33BHP for two years. The bike will cost the same as any sporty looking 125, sometimes a bit less. Costs more in insurance and petrol if you get something with lots of performance, but that's the trade off.


Teflon Mike would have wrote:
Do your test


Before they kill biking off.


It is faster in acceleration by quite a bit too. Re sale value is good, so it doesn't hurt that much really. I agree on dropping it. Although my friend dropped a friends one when we were teaching him. Only a tiny scratch. The owner of the bike then got hit by a car while he was doing 30 MPH and it remained intact bar a scratch on the fairing. They are built very well.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
It is faster in acceleration by quite a bit too. Re sale value is good, so it doesn't hurt that much really. I agree on dropping it. Although my friend dropped a friends one when we were teaching him. Only a tiny scratch. The owner of the bike then got hit by a car while he was doing 30 MPH and it remained intact bar a scratch on the fairing. They are built very well.


If this is aimed at the CBR125... then lol.

I've got a photo of one the stacked it at 20mph... its only done about £450 worth of damage Rolling Eyes

Faster in acceleration, yes maybe, but its got like 3hp on top of what a used CG has. Doesn't really explain the extra £ you spend on it. Less MPG than a CG, costs more to insure, drop, replace parts.. Might as well be a cheap arse and get a CG and run it to the ground and have it as a spare bike when you eventually get a bigger one.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend a CBR125 to anyone who wants one, and is aware of it's limitations, but if someone's already got a CG that is working fine, then why spend a lot of money on what is little more than a slightly souped up CG with a huge amount of tart factor?
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
I'd recommend a CBR125 to anyone who wants one, and is aware of it's limitations, but if someone's already got a CG that is working fine, then why spend a lot of money on what is little more than a slightly souped up CG with a huge amount of tart factor?


See, I've owned 2 now and i'd still recommend my CLR125 over it anyday.

I've had nothing but hassle with them really, 1 crash obliterated the CBR. 7 crashes to finally kill my CLR, that was down to it being run over, engine cracking into pieces and frame snapping.

The CBR has all bearings replaced at 20k, even after being serviced well, currently needs ANOTHER valve clearance, which is a front end strip down to get to it Laughing Its the only bike I hate removing the rear wheel on... No idea why, but it gets me really pissed off Laughing

I've never owned a CG, I've ridden 2 and would take one of those over a CBR now, But I'd still take my CLR over a CG/CBR. Comfy, does about 60/65 and takes a beating.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
If this is aimed at the CBR125... then lol.

I've got a photo of one the stacked it at 20mph... its only done about £450 worth of damage Rolling Eyes


My off was at maybe 10+mph in the wet. Two fairings ~£65, a scuffed bar end, and a scratched mirror. My grab rail is well chipped too, from much cargo net and other carriage abuse. I've a brand new spare wrapped up that was £30.

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Less MPG than a CG


The mpg will be about the same, unless you're redlining it everywhere. I worked mine out over about 1500 miles, and it was 96.something mpg, approx 21 miles per litre. That's a carbed CBR, the fuel injected may be different.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I've had nothing but hassle with them really, 1 crash obliterated the CBR.

The CBR has all bearings replaced at 20k, even after being serviced well, currently needs ANOTHER valve clearance, which is a front end strip down to get to it Laughing Its the only bike I hate removing the rear wheel on... No idea why, but it gets me really pissed off Laughing


It helps if you don't crash them Mr. Green

I've done the valve clearances twice, it's a minor PITA, but it is a faired bike so that's the price you pay.

Dunno about a CLR, I've not owned one. I'm always open to donations tho Razz Wink
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:
I've had nothing but hassle with them really, 1 crash obliterated the CBR.

The CBR has all bearings replaced at 20k, even after being serviced well, currently needs ANOTHER valve clearance, which is a front end strip down to get to it Laughing Its the only bike I hate removing the rear wheel on... No idea why, but it gets me really pissed off Laughing


It helps if you don't crash them Mr. Green

I've done the valve clearances twice, it's a minor PITA, but it is a faired bike so that's the price you pay.

Dunno about a CLR, I've not owned one. I'm always open to donations tho Razz Wink


Wasn't me that wiped my CBRs arse on the pavement Laughing

A learner, CG.. perfect.

My carbed CBR gets about 160 to a tank, it needs to be redlined...dual carriageways bruv Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look at like this

CG 500 beams should get you a good one
CBR's looks like they start around a grand insurance is going to be likely double that of the CG yeah there better looking and possible a bit faster but going for a CG you could have paid for your test from what you will have left over from buying and insuring it
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
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It is faster in acceleration by quite a bit too. Re sale value is good, so it doesn't hurt that much really. I agree on dropping it. Although my friend dropped a friends one when we were teaching him. Only a tiny scratch. The owner of the bike then got hit by a car while he was doing 30 MPH and it remained intact bar a scratch on the fairing. They are built very well.


If this is aimed at the CBR125... then lol.

I've got a photo of one the stacked it at 20mph... its only done about £450 worth of damage Rolling Eyes

Faster in acceleration, yes maybe, but its got like 3hp on top of what a used CG has. Doesn't really explain the extra £ you spend on it. Less MPG than a CG, costs more to insure, drop, replace parts.. Might as well be a cheap arse and get a CG and run it to the ground and have it as a spare bike when you eventually get a bigger one.


The CBR125 isn't that expensive to insure though. A second hand one is about just over a grand. I think my friend got insurance for 200 brand new, and his older brother got it for 150, granted he was a car driver and married etc... Comprehensive.

Suppose it depends on how you crash but the bike doesn't fall apart as a Suzuki for example and the plastic fairing is fairly solid. He did a 30 MPh crash and got away with it I suppose. But tbh, crashing is very rare.

To resale a 2nd hand CG or CBR125, you get pretty much your money back.

The acceleration is quite a bit more actually. I have rode YBR125's and CG125's and was left for dead. The top end of 70 is also useful. I always preferred higher speeds above what car drivers do. Having some fairing helps a bit with tue wind too.



I am not sure on MpG but I recall a friend saying he got 220 miles from a tank. I think a tank cost


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Never mind I forgot how much a tank costs now but he Internet are saying 80 to 90 mpg which sounds right. It's a fairly good bike, not ss good as a cg for mpg though.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
The CBR125 isn't that expensive to insure though. A second hand one is about just over a grand. I think my friend got insurance for 200 brand new, and his older brother got it for 150, granted he was a car driver and married etc... Comprehensive.

Im TPFT, depends on your claim/points history.

Suppose it depends on how you crash but the bike doesn't fall apart as a Suzuki for example and the plastic fairing is fairly solid. He did a 30 MPh crash and got away with it I suppose. But tbh, crashing is very rare.

My bike is far superior build quality to my CBR

To resale a 2nd hand CG or CBR125, you get pretty much your money back.

Unless you crash it, whereby you lose 2/3 its value

The acceleration is quite a bit more actually. I have rode YBR125's and CG125's and was left for dead. The top end of 70 is also useful. I always preferred higher speeds above what car drivers do. Having some fairing helps a bit with tue wind too.

I dont notice any difference, I also have no fairing...
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well from what I have heard, Suzuki in crashes are pretty bad. The way they are built means that it's pretty much likely to be a write off.

Maybe that is false.

Yes in a crash a CBr will cost more to fix than a CG, but it's not a gurantee.

Insurance dies vary, but a CBR isn't really that much more to insure than a cg is what I am saying. If you have a good nick cg of a value of 800 pounds and an older cbr of the value of 1200, it is probably going to be close to each other in insurance. Of course it depends on the rider though.



Maybe you didn't notice a difference but I did. A CBR 125 is faster than a CG125 from my experience.
I was getting left on the straights from zero straight away by my friend on a cbr.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you are thinking about a CG, have a look at the CBF. Basically an updated version, I love mine!!

It was £100 for the insurance when I was 19 & 120mpg

I would defiantly stay away from 2strokes because they are a gamble. Its ok if you got plenty of money to fix them, dont get me wrong the aprillia RS is an amazing bike! will keep up with a 250 easily.

But it also falls into the sports bike category, I passed my test on my CBF then hopped on a hyosung gt250r for a test ride. I know for fact that I wouldn't be able to pass my mod1 on that thing. it can turn about 5 degrees at slow speeds! I wouldnt reccomend a sports bike for practice and test.. maybe if you are very confident on it or if you can rent a naked bike
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