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killa
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Over coming your gremlins Reply with quote

Do any of you have this issue in regard working on your bike?

Often i come across an issue i know is a niggle, i know i could probably do the job but i just mull over so many outcomes i never want to get stuck in.
I think being an engineer doesn’t help, I’m fine with tools, I’ve worked on cars and bikes but for some reason I’m always overcome with worry about the results.
What if i can’t solve it?
What if i make it worse?
Should i just call the workshop?
What if i get halfway through and can’t do a thing about it!?

I recently looked over the carb etc on Luthians bike. She sat there whilst i got stuck in and stripped the carb. The last time i did this was in my teens when i owned DTR’s, NSR’s and the like. Once i had the thing apart and laid it all out, i thought “What the bloody hell do i worry about, i know what all this does!” Rolling Eyes
My TLR is obviously a little different, it is just after all a much harder puzzle to put back together but for general things i should be more than capable carrying out the work.
I was just mulling over this last night, i spent a lot of time in my youth mucking about with strokers and often thought the problems were a combination of mechanical faults i wouldn’t understand and generally 2 strokes being bitchy and making my life difficult through a mind of it’s own.

I guess what i’m asking is how do you overcome this or do you just suffer with the same thing?
I’ve realised with the tools i have to hand, if i just jump into it, i usually feel massively better for doing it. XP earned. Thumbs Up
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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Takes about a week after finding out about a problem for me to think about working on it. Then another week to attempt to fix it. But to date everything I have worked on I have managed to fix. No idea how as im quite clumsy.

Im the home mechanic who can do most things (standard service etc), when it comes to anything like chains replacing, head bearings etc.. no way.

But yeh, awesome feeling doing something yourself. Just need to beat my procrastination problems. Thumbs Up
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
Takes about a week after finding out about a problem for me to think about working on it. Then another week to attempt to fix it. But to date everything I have worked on I have managed to fix. No idea how as im quite clumsy.

Im the home mechanic who can do most things (standard service etc), when it comes to anything like chains replacing, head bearings etc.. no way.

But yeh, awesome feeling doing something yourself. Just need to beat my procrastination problems. Thumbs Up


This, except I can do more stuff than Eddie can. I tend to draw the line at four stroke engine rebuilds though, but I have become a sort of expert on brakes and forks. And Two stroke engines.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm terrible for this as I'll be sure I can do whatever it is that needs doing on the bike, then about 20 minutes into the job it's a bit more like "Why the fuck did I even start doing this?"
Usually manage just fine though Wink
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm retired now (not by choice) so buy up old wrecks on the Bay and put them back on the road, usually making a small cash proffit, but not if my time is factored in. The number of bodges I have had to repair are fairly mind boggling, let alone the design shortcomings of the basic design. There are jobs I hate to do becuase I KNOW they will fight me all the way. 4 cyl. carb rebuilds, its a bitch getting them off, a bitch getting them back on and you can gaurantee that one will flood even after every precaution has been taken.
Shimming some engines valves, its as if the manufacturer has put every hinderance they can in the way of you doing this without the assistance of a double jointed dwarf with the eyesight of a hawk.
Rear shocks when every bolt is corroded firmly in place, someties I just give up and buy in a reasonable replacement.... I could go on and on... but I'll shut up for now.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm exactly the same when it comes to stuff like that. The thought of getting charged crazy amounts by a garage for stuff I could do myself with a couple of hours and a bit of confidence means I eventually get round to them after a week or so (just finished up valve clearances today). Learnt a lot of skills and saved myself a fair bit of cash, just glad I started learning on a CG125 and not a carbed I4 engine.

A combination of 'The Workshop' and a Haynes manual usually provide me with all the info I need to diagnose and solve anything thats gone wrong - haven't taken a bike to the garage since 2010 now
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do everything.

Act now think later.

When this fails... ''Daaaaaaaaaaaaaad!'' Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I overcome my worry of doing jobs I've never done before by going to the local bike shop and seeing how much the labour would cost Laughing

<-- short arms, deep pockets.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're an engineer! & have a fobia about fixing things?!
Strange!
My first Design Lecture, at Uni; Tutor walked in said; "Right; you are now 'Engineers'... trainee Engineers, don't get ideas above your station.... BUT.... What, IS an engineer?" Then went round the room, polling answers until offering "PROBLEM SOLVER" an engineer is an applied scientist, some one who finds a use for science, and solves problems.
Rather curiouse, to have an engineer shy away from problems... though however many years in industry, as a trouble shooter after, maybe I shouldn't be surprised....
Yet, while trying to find some one to actually deal with something on the manufacturing floor, could often b difficult, shop floor blaming process engineering, process engineering blaming design engineering, design engineering blaming purchasing.... etc.... outside in the carpark, and Stuart from the prototype lab is fiddling with the carburettors on his Dolamite Sprint at Lunch time, there'd be a DOZEN engineers, with their head under the bonnet, offering their 'help'!

Mechie, Lecie and an IT engineer, in a car coming over the alps when the brakes fail....
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Lecie is driving, and he stamps on the brake pedal, and nothing happens, so he stamps harder, and then harder again, Mechie, in the passnger seat turning green shouts 'Change Down, Change Down', and grabs at the hand brake, and Lechie, slaming down the gearbox, using the engine braking, Mechie hanging on the handbrake they manag to get the car to a stop at the bottom of the valley, and thy all tumble out.

Mechie runs round the back to the boot, looking for the wheel brace: "Probably a seal gone on a caliper, I'll take the wheels off and have a look"
Lecie, dives under the dash board, and starts pulling covers off the fuse boxes, pulling his test pen out of his pockt; "No, I reckon its a problem with the ABS, I'll look for a sensor error.
IT Eng; looks around; "Woa! Far out! What a Ride MAN! I have NO idea what went wrong, but, y'klnow, I think we should push the car back up the hill....... see if it does it again!"
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(I worked in Defence; I was once acquainted with a US Airforce Radar Operator, responsible for running coms tests on NATO Def-Net. Basically he had to keep bouncing 'traffic' around the network during low useage, to make sure all ports and nods were responding and viable..... Bored, on night duty, sending random number sequences, he decided to play network 'Doom' with a mate on shift in Hawaii!... Yup, brought down the Atalntic link! System lifted the Defcon status two notches, presuming 'enemy' system breach, and almost had the Deputy President disturbed on the Golf course..... Apparently after the claxons had stopped sounding and the swoop squad had deecended, the General, a chief IT wallah's first words were, "OK, can we replicate the error?")
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ANYWAY:
What has always tended to work for me, looking at a knackered water pump or alternator, or starter motor, or non starting engine.... or whatever:

"OK, it's fucked.... anything I do to it from now on, cant really make it MORE fucked.... but if I can make it LESS fucked.... on to a winner!"
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

"OK, it's fucked.... anything I do to it from now on, cant really make it MORE fucked.... but if I can make it LESS fucked.... on to a winner!"


Now THAT's a fucking quote I'm gonna remember! Wink
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shimming some engines valves, its as if the manufacturer has put every hinderance they can in the way of you doing this without the assistance of a double jointed dwarf with the eyesight of a hawk.


I have this to do at some point, all other aspects of the service I can do but this?, I have no idea at all!
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to read and research Mr Haynes, and BCF before I attempt a new task, but I tend to do the majority of basic maintenance etc myself.

As already suggested, short arms & deep pockets, combined with expensive local labour costs usually means that I do the job myself.

The majority of the time, it's down to a matter of confidence and/or experience, and one of the few ways to improve both is to DO IT
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem I have is whenever I do something, I'm afraid that when I'm doing 90+ down the M5 teh bike will fall apart due to me mucking something up.
As of such I get my mates to do it, I trust him more. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zeucus wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:

"OK, it's fucked.... anything I do to it from now on, cant really make it MORE fucked.... but if I can make it LESS fucked.... on to a winner!"


Now THAT's a fucking quote I'm gonna remember! Wink


fuck that..I am sigging it!
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I just think: a man put this together; so can I.

However, that does not always help when doing things like re-assembling carb bodies and fighting with their linkages. As long as there is an opportunity to walk away for a short time, the job will be done.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bru wrote:
For what it's worth, I just think: a man put this together; so can I.

That was one of my Grandad's favourite quips; "Some one put the thing together, so some on else ought to be able to take it apart!"
Though modern clip together plastic mouldings mad him reconsider the notion!

Fuel 'Tap', is something sat on the bench at the minute waiting attension. Annoyingly a 'new' one; but it has decided NOT to turn 'off' properly and dripps. I told Snowie to take it off and remove the plate holding the tap in, and see if the 'O'Ring was chewed... expcting it to b held together with a plate scerwed over the tap. I was wrong, it's rivoted.... can be taken apart by filing the rivet heads off, but risk is, wont be able to put it together again... chance we might be able to tap out the holes and use small screws, or even use self tappers in the remnants of the old rivot body... man put it together, but did NOT intend it to be taken apart and put back together again....

Fuck it! It's no good like it is! Where's the file! If it don't work, no worse off, it'll STILL be no good, BUT, if a new O ring and a couple of screws fix it, saves buying a new £15 replacement.

There ARE places you have to be a bit more cautiouse though. BRAKES being a good example. I NEVER reuse old seals in brake cylinders or calipers. And often as not, when I strip calipers fit new pistons 'as course'... yes, you can clean them up with emery, and they will often 'work', but, if it DOESN'T... its not like a fuel tap, which might not turn off, or worst case drip a bit of petrol... And inside engines. Some bits, it'#s not worth trying to salvage for the sake of a few pence, when if it doesn't work, could cost another rebuild or a complete new motor.

But, back to the 'Some One Built it' and 'Well, its buggered ANYWAY" ideas;

Remember way back when, an article in "Motorcycle & Motorcycle Mechanics" about the 1984 Honda VF750F. It was only two or three years old at the time, and notoriously complicated and unreliable. Magazine Cover showed the bike with a silver painted 'Robotic' dancer, holding a spanner, with tag line "VF750F, Maintnence for Androids only?"

Thrust of the article, was that, at the time, people still bought Triumph Bonavilles, and they held thier second hand value, well, because with air cooled push-rod twin, engine, "Y'K'n Fix a Bonni!" because they were simple, low tech and rugged in construction. Yet, facd with the intricacies of over head cam engines and then 'four-pot' engines, poeple had adapted, and got to grips with them.

Worth noting that in those days people were more likely to have a valve spring compressor in thier tool box than a torque wrench..

And the notoriouse VF750F, with two cam chains, four cams, sixtn valves AND water cooling, might SEEM a big leap, but people would undoubtedly get to grips with DIY mechanicing them.

(Remains in debate; THAT engine still remains one of the least mechanic freindly, mainly curtecy of incredibly fragile, thin wall pressure cast cases; but, in principle, people DO wad in and start reconditioning in line four, multi cam, multi valve motors)

And over the years, yup, I have gone from being rather wary even of four stroke engines, to avoiding ones with Over Head Cams, and taking a more fatalistic approach; if it fucks up it fucks up, and it'll fix or it wont... its only a matter of how much it gonna cost!

And that leads back to DIYing it, because of mechanics costs!

Although, even there; last year I was knocking myself out to get my Rangie though MOT for summer holidays, having just done a top end rebuild when the Head Gaskets 'went', took it in to have it fail on rear wheel bearings, a job I have done many times, and knew parts would cost me about £60, and would take me about a day. Garage quoted £90.. which is when you have to ponder the 'savings'.... I'm dissabled, so things take me longer to do, but my time is my own... if I had been at work, £30 would b an hour of over time... so unless I was going to actually ENJOY the job... chaper to work lat one evening than get hands dirty!

THAT probably is the deciding factor; whether you ENJOY it.

Not much point even trying, if you don't relish the challenge and appreciate the satisfaction of Doing It Yourself.

I STILL get a huge childlike grin, whenever an engine I have put back together is first started! And when I rebuilt the Corporal's 125 twin, and it hauled Snowie & I two up to GPS 70! I was giggling like a virgin playing with a tit! Though still a big "Wow! Its not gone BANG!" factor in there! And do worry it might! Just have to remember things go wrong, whether it's because of something you have 'fixed' or something you have got some-elcs to fix, or simply something you haven't even imagined yet!

Getting Snowie building the Pup.... she didn't want to rid it once it was all built.... scared of breaking it or crashing it...... "Yes, but you BUILT it! So, break it, crash it, what's it matter? You have taken it apart once, and made it all good, so you can do it again.... and do it 'better'!
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've taught myself over the last couple of years but I still shit myself at the thought of doing the valve clearances.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 22 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problems tearing into the drag bike or a friends/customer bike, I would happily rip it to bits just to look at a wrist pin or valve seat knowing all will be well in the end.

Working on my own bikes and I suddenly get nervous about getting it perfect. wierd.
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