Gear changes during wheelies

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Hey,

I've been practising 1st gear clutch wheelies for a while, I can get them up pretty well and keep them going...but it gets to the red line and starts falling back down.

That image <<< was at about 50mph and it gets to about 80/85 then drops again. I can keep it up steady from about 20mph, I just cant seem to change gear to keep it going.

I've tried knocking it in, doesnt want to move, clutch in just causes bike to head back down...as does laying off the throttle slightly.

Do I need to try knocking it in harder? I cant get it up in 2nd...so dont try advising that one Laughing

It cant be done Laughing

for all

hellbound · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Karma :

I shall be watching this thread.

I can't even wheelie at all
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chris-red · Have you considered a TDM? Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Karma :

I just Knock it into second, however be careful the first time I actually succeeded It scared the shit out of me Laughing

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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Karma :

Front end needs to be WAAAAY higher before you can even consider changing gear.

Get it up to, or near to balance point, then when the revs are fairly high, lift your foot up against the gear selector, hold it there, and when you're ready, simply "twitch" the throttle.
The drop in revs, will allow the bike to change gear.

Ben

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Karma :

You're doing "power wheelies".
Using the sheer acceleration to keep the front wheel a foot off the ground.
Front needs to be very high. It takes a lot to flip a sports bike.

Ben

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Karma :

Yeah, it's called "feeling the bike" man.
You'll know when you're at balance point. It'll go light.

Mate, go do it in 2nd gear, get it on a fast road, and clutch it up at 60+.
Reason I say this, is because you get it up at 30, shift into second, and there isnt enough torque to keep the front up, as 2nd gear on your bike doesnt get lively until you're doing about 60mph.

Ben

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

First off- try and put it down before you get to the red line - dip the throttle, then back on to gently lower it down.

You still need to be higher.
Changing up will give you a bit of extra time - but you're still going to run out of speed, just be going a lot higher.
At the balance point, your revs won't be going up, so you can carry on for ever. However, the balance point does tend to get lower the faster you go ('wind' pushing up on the bottom of the bike.)

Get some videos rather than pics next time if you can.

Daimo · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 14 May 2005 Karma :

Im still not there. Still roll on roll off roll on in 1st and it pops up (easy on the bandit, but too heavy and substandard forks isn't a good idea, so I very very rarely pop a little one on that). Dipping the clutch does not work on this bike at all.

Tornado, too scared of breaking it Laughing

Again too timid to clutch in and wack the revs but the front easily pops up if given a handfull in 1st.

Wanna go on a wheelie school. Best place for it. Use someone elses bikes Laughing

I dont want to ride down the road no handed, no feeted, but jsut want to be able to pop a decent one every so often for fun.

Guess its like the whole "knee down" thing. Wont make you faster, but looks cool to my imaginary friend Laughing

mattsprattuk · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Karma :

If you cant clutch a 750 up in 2nd, or get anywhere near balance then there's no point trying to learn to change gear. Run before walk etc.

1st to 2nd gear can be dodgey if youre not high enough, and 2nd to 3rd doesn't have the power to keep it up if it's too low. Basically go higher.

Even my avatar isn't fully at balance, and im about 3x higher than yours but I'm just overtaking a camera bike in that.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green

Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

mattsprattuk · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Karma :

Youre probably slipping the clutch wrong. Don't dump it. When I do it on my 636 I'm probably doing 45ish, but speed is irrelavent. Just clutching changes with the speed.
I don't look at my revs, but they're probably about 2/3rds redline, slip the clutch to pretty much redline and engage it again. Basically when you slip it. Crack open the throttle fully then close it a bit to control it once you get the height.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green

Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

I used to pull it in, rev and then just let it go.

Now I have the short levers, I just put 2 fingers on there, pull it towards the bar... no so far that it releases the gear, just so that the revs rise. Then I add a few k rpm.. like 3k.

Then release it as its lifting off the floor.

I'll video my hand and the clocks... and get someone to record me going up Thumbs Up

FakeIrish · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 27 Jul 2011 Karma :

I hope you guys realise it's stupid and dangerous to perform (or practice) wheelies on the roads.

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mattsprattuk · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Karma :

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

P. · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Oh also, you probably won't realise, but thats a closed road... its for park and ride buses and shuts at 6. Wink

Quick one. just looking at the photo, does my throttle hand look like its in the wrong place? Also looks like im not giving it any throttle. Laughing

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