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PostPosted: 22:21 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Bt023 vs Maxxis tyres Reply with quote

Hi guys

I'm after a new rear tyre for the CBR and ultimately I'm after value for money, so I'll buy a pair if it works out much better, but I have a small dilemma.

The current back tyre is a BT023 which despite riding like a mad man most days has still seen as near as makes no difference 10,000 miles and bearing in mind the back is near bald down the middle, I full throttled it yesterday in the pouring rain and it still tried to lift the front (i.e. no spinning at all). I love the BT023's So it would seem to be a simple choice, but my problem is that fitted to the bike the BT023's cost me £245 for the pair, probably more if I buy them separately.

A pair of Maxxis tyres will cost me around £160 fitted to the bike, price wise there is very little difference between the sports and the touring tyres. A saving of £100 might not sound like much, but I live life on a budget so every little helps!

So...

If I go for maxxis touring tyres and try and match the longetivity of the BT023's, will I miss the out right grip the BT023's offer, and could the cheaper maxxis really match the 10,000 miles I've seen from the 023's.

Or if I go for the sports tyres to try and match the grip, will I miss the longetivity the BT023's offer? Surely a proper sports tyre will struggle to do half the miles the BT023 has?

Or am I being an idiot and not realising that I have the perfect value for money already and suck up the extra £100 as necessary.

Sorry if that rambled on a bit!

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PostPosted: 22:53 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currently got Maxxis tyres on the Bandit - and previously had Bridgestones fitted. Maxxis Sport Touring on the front (for longevity), and Maxxis Supersport on the back (for grip).

I ride in all weathers, and as mentioned, they can sometimes be a bit sketchy (but still predictable) in the wet. They've been FANTASTIC in the dry, and IMHO definately worth having another pair. I'm actually looking to get the rear replaced after a full spring and summer of daily riding on it.

They sometimes come in for criticism because some had a reputation of poor grip, but I can hjonestly say I haven't found this to be the case. I'd have no hesitation to recommend them, or to use them again on the bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rode a zx9r with a pair of Maxxis touring tyres on in the pissing rain.

All i can say is......wheelspin.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All essential rubber and say cash and ask for best price
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxxis road tyres are awful. Used them once, would not use them again. No other tyre could inspire so little confidence and a complete lack of feeling for what's going on between the bike and the road, it's basically pot luck every time you go into a corner, or hit the brakes, or accelerate, or whatever. They take an eternity to warm up on even the driest day and will spin with abandon. If you've ever ridden with decent tyres you will not like what Maxxis have to offer.

Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen videos before of people riding using Maxxis tyres, and I still don't like them. I'm not going to try and stop people using them, it's your choice at the end of the day, but I would certainly never recommend them.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Bt023 vs Maxxis tyres Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Hi guysThe current back tyre is a BT023 which despite riding like a mad man most days has still seen as near as makes no difference 10,000 miles and bearing in mind the back is near bald down the middle, I full throttled it yesterday in the pouring rain and it still tried to lift the front (i.e. no spinning at all). I love the BT023's So it would seem to be a simple choice, but my problem is that fitted to the bike the BT023's cost me £245 for the pair, probably more if I buy them separately.


I very much doubt you'll see 10k miles off a set of Maxxis, so you'll end up replacing them before you would the BT023 anyway.

Last the BT023 rear I got fitted cost me £120 to the bike including a £15 fitting fee, so the tyre was not very expensive at all.

Tbh, I'd pay the extra and go for them, I love the tyres too and coming from road attacks I can strongly say I much prefered the 023.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They ride fine in the dry and warm up quick enough. I rode a 650 Bandit on a set of Supersports. Was able to keep up the (rather brisk) pace of the group on them. ( had to throw the brute into corners and hang off it like a monkey to get it to hold a line though!)

Im tempted to say that id prefer them over bridgestones.....

Even a set of Supercorsas will grip enough in the wet to get the front to lift.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:

im gonna borrow a go-pro just to prove you wrong.

Go for it. No pussyingout and just accelerating in a straight line and gentle braking in a straight line - want to see it being used properly Wink.

The first time I crashed on my maxxis road intermediate pattern front supermoto tyre I put it down to my twatishness - landing a wheelie and braking hard as there was an oncoming car in a traffic calming bit. Despite the fact I'd done the same thing before many times on various other tyres, including when a police car came around on my dr600 with dual purpose tyres.

When the front went on shell grip braking gently on a down slope of a hump back bridge I decided it was the tyre.

I'm not a fan of the 020 (haven't used the 023), but would still go for them over the Maxxis any day (I appreciate other Maxxis may be better, but if they can't get an intermediate pattern supermoto tyre to have grip, I REALLY worry about their tyre making skills!)
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I'm not a fan of the 020 (haven't used the 023), but would still go for them over the Maxxis any day (I appreciate other Maxxis may be better, but if they can't get an intermediate pattern supermoto tyre to have grip, I REALLY worry about their tyre making skills!)


Don't worry I'm not either. The 021 were just as shitee.

023 is in a completely different league though. Ticks all the boxes IMHO.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:36 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the new diamond type ?
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: maxis Reply with quote

i've currently got maxis on my sv650s, and while they are fine in the dry no problems, i find in the wet they just dont seem to cope, give you no feeling of whats going on, just touch and go in the wet.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which Maxxis are you looking at? I've ridden a few bikes with the Supermaxx fitted. Wet grip was poor, but the most annoying thing in my opinion was the extremely flat profile which makes the handling sluggish and really limits stability and grip when leant over.

If you want something cheaper than the Bridgestone, Pirelli Diablo Stradas are pretty impressive for a touring tyre, and can be had for a fair bit less than the Bridgestone as they've recently been superseded by the Angel ST.

For example: 180 & 120 pair


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PostPosted: 14:36 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Bt023 vs Maxxis tyres Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
e BT023's cost me £245 for the pair, probably more if I buy them separately.



Your doing it wrong.

You should be able to get a pair online for under £200 easily. You can fit them your self, using my Manual tyre gear. It is hard work and will probably take 2 hours in total but saves you £45.

My tyre gear cost £90 I think I have had it 18 months and I have easily saved that. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Bt023 vs Maxxis tyres Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

My tyre gear cost £90 I think I have had it 18 months and I have easily saved that. Thumbs Up

Local tyre place in Reading is free if you take the loose wheels in and buy the tyres from him (reasonable prices usually) or £5 if you but the tyres yourself (can be delivered to him too.) £15 per tyre for "ride in" fitting.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Bt023 vs Maxxis tyres Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
You should be able to get a pair online for under £200 easily. You can fit them your self, using my Manual tyre gear. It is hard work and will probably take 2 hours in total but saves you £45.

My tyre gear cost £90 I think I have had it 18 months and I have easily saved that. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 18:20 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll stick with the BT023 then, considering it will probably be on the bike through till December at least assuming it lasts 10,000 miles again, I think I'll be glad of the better wet grip when there's a layer of frost over everything!

Chris I may PM you when I get the tyre about the tools.

Other chris - feel free to post a vid of the bandit on Maxxis in this thread anyway, I'll be interested to see it.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I think I'll stick with the BT023 then, considering it will probably be on the bike through till December at least assuming it lasts 10,000 miles again, I think I'll be glad of the better wet grip when there's a layer of frost over everything!

Chris I may PM you when I get the tyre about the tools.

Other chris - feel free to post a vid of the bandit on Maxxis in this thread anyway, I'll be interested to see it.


Yeah no worries, will need abit of notice cos my mate has it at the mo (we went halfs on it)

G - I always hear fables of these cheap fitting places but the cheapest I can get is £10 loose wheel (from a mate of mate) most places round here are £15 loose wheel or £25 ride in ride out.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local to me it's £10 if you take you're own tyre and wheel. Or 15 if you ride in.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:

that'll teach you to live daun sauf.

This was Reading Smile... I was on good terms with the bloke, but I think that's the price others got too.
As he generally did good deals etc, seen people coming from London to get tyres from him!
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

might be a silly question, but how can you tell what profile the tyre has before you've bought it ?

My favourite tyre I've has so far in mich pilots because they felt really flicky, which i guess is down to the shape of the tyre
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 29 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: Bt023 vs Maxxis tyres Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Hi guys

I'm after a new rear tyre for the CBR and ultimately I'm after value for money, so I'll buy a pair if it works out much better, but I have a small dilemma.

The current back tyre is a BT023 which despite riding like a mad man most days has still seen as near as makes no difference 10,000 miles and bearing in mind the back is near bald down the middle, I full throttled it yesterday in the pouring rain and it still tried to lift the front (i.e. no spinning at all). I love the BT023's So it would seem to be a simple choice, but my problem is that fitted to the bike the BT023's cost me £245 for the pair, probably more if I buy them separately.

A pair of Maxxis tyres will cost me around £160 fitted to the bike, price wise there is very little difference between the sports and the touring tyres. A saving of £100 might not sound like much, but I live life on a budget so every little helps!

So...

If I go for maxxis touring tyres and try and match the longetivity of the BT023's, will I miss the out right grip the BT023's offer, and could the cheaper maxxis really match the 10,000 miles I've seen from the 023's.

Or if I go for the sports tyres to try and match the grip, will I miss the longetivity the BT023's offer? Surely a proper sports tyre will struggle to do half the miles the BT023 has?

Or am I being an idiot and not realising that I have the perfect value for money already and suck up the extra £100 as necessary.

Sorry if that rambled on a bit!

Thank
Hi.. I also have a CBR600 & last year I put a pair of 023`s on it.. I ride really hard & this is for sure the best ever set of tyres I`ve had!! my rear normally lasts around 1000 miles.. this 023 has now done 1,600 miles & still has loads left.. normally by 1000 miles the canvass is showing & the rubber on the edges is chewed up like a track tyre!! this 023 has stood the true test of time with me riding the bike.. I would not rate the Maxxis against the 23`s, a friend had maxxi`s on his 600RR & said they were terrible in both the dry & wet!! & scrubbed fairly fast too!! hope this helps.. have a nice day now..

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PostPosted: 11:08 - 29 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hornetmike wrote:
might be a silly question, but how can you tell what profile the tyre has before you've bought it ?

Generally just read up on it.

The number is one thing, but most buy the specific recommended one for their bike.

The shape inside that profile number obviously can vary a fair bit.
If you get two tyres both inflated next to each, you might get a bit of an idea. But even then it won't entirely tell you how it will behave with the weight of a bike and rider on it.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 29 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I put a maxxis supermaxx on the front of the blade, and then about 2 months later binned it through a corner in the dry that ive been through 10-15mph faster In the wet on the previous bridgestone's. The front just lost grip for no apparent reason, I went back and had a look at the surface after and there was nothing there, so I can only put it down to the tyre. Personally I won't be using them on any of my bikes in the future.
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