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PostPosted: 18:59 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Rossi, Lorenzo and others not racing at Japan Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motogp/14535466.stm

Reckon they'll be "encouraged" to race due to commercial reasons?
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Valentino Rossi likely to withdraw from Japanese MotoGP


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Former MotoGP champion Valentino Rossi has admitted he may not travel to the Japanese Grand Prix in October because of health fears in the country.





Either way. They should race. Japan doesn't need the revenue, but it will help.

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British rider Cal Crutchlow and his Tech 3 Yamaha team have already confirmed they will race.


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PostPosted: 19:17 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well aware of the get out clauses they've put in there. Laughing

Either way it's clear they don't want to, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up going purely because of the commercial cost.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 27 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well aware of the get out clauses they've put in there. Laughing

Either way it's clear they don't want to, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up going purely because of the commercial cost.


They should do it at least of the financial gain for Japan.

It's pathetic considering what they've gone through. There was a debate in another thread, someone said the radiation levels at the track are below even UK health and safety standards.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forget the details, but rather suspect they'll get 'worse radiation' from flying there than actually competing there.
If not, certainly from flying around on long haul flights for the whole year.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=225404



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PostPosted: 13:14 - 28 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For comparison, current levels of radiation at Mito - the town where most of the riders and teams stay during - is 86 nanosieverts or 0.086 microsieverts (µSv) an hour (measured at 1am local time on July 20th, 2011). Over the course of a six-day stay in the region (though teams will often stay for just five days), a person would receive just under 12.4 µSv of radiation, about 60% of the dose of a single chest x-ray. By comparison, radiation levels in Chemnitz, where the teams generally stay during the German Grand Prix at the Sachsenring, were about 100 nanosieverts, or 0.1 µSv an hour. Staying in Chemnitz for 6 days exposed the teams to 14.4 µSv of radiation.


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PostPosted: 10:54 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd wager background radiation levels are not the reason riders are worried. The worry are the particles that may have been released when the reactor housing exploded, and they will not be picked up by geiger counters unless they land on the things directly.

The commercial side of things has always given Rossi the hump so I expect him to avoid going at all costs and Stoner seems to be quite in touch with nature so perhaps he'll refuse too.

Will be very interesting anyhow... Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I'd wager background radiation levels are not the reason riders are worried. The worry are the particles that may have been released when the reactor housing exploded, and they will not be picked up by geiger counters unless they land on the things directly.


What? Not wanting to sound rude, but that sounds like you've got no grasp of the science behind ionising radiation at all...
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What? Not wanting to sound rude, but that sounds like you've got no grasp of the science behind ionising radiation at all...


You don't sound rude, just ignorant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IetLUBX5u4

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PostPosted: 11:27 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
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What? Not wanting to sound rude, but that sounds like you've got no grasp of the science behind ionising radiation at all...


You don't sound rude, just ignorant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IetLUBX5u4

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Well, I can't watch the youtube vid at work, but I studied particle physics at the University of Brighton... so I'm not entirely ignorant of the perils (or lack of) of ionising radiation and radioactive fallout.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
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What? Not wanting to sound rude, but that sounds like you've got no grasp of the science behind ionising radiation at all...


You don't sound rude, just ignorant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IetLUBX5u4

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So are you a nuclear physicist?

Because something being posted on YouTube is hardly great scientific proof*, is it... I mean, what next? Some wikipedia links?

*Unless you believe in all that conspiracy bollocks, of course. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand the hostility; I am agreeing with you that background readings are low.

However, I am inclined to agree with Gundersen (who's 6min mini-talk on YouTube I posted) with the dangers of so called 'hot particles'. For the record he has a masters in Nuclear engineering and was called as an expert witness in the Three Mile Island case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Gundersen

Go home and watch it and perhaps you'll learn some more.

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PostPosted: 13:36 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No hostility intended - trust me, if there is, you won't need to ask. Mr. Green

However, I'm not sure of the validity of this (because I'm not a nuclear scientist), although I have attempted to read some of the "official" reports - and they are mostly beyond my understanding.

Meanwhile, whilst I've heard rumours that differing views may exist (for example, from the gf of one of Nicky Hayden's pit crew), I haven't seen anything in a very official looking capacity (ie, not via YouTube, Wikipedia etc).

That's all I was getting at. Smile
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbot wrote:

That's all I was getting at. Smile


Apologies but I'm still unsure what your point was. Laughing Are you saying that you disagree with Gundersen because you don't understand or that you can't agree or disagree because you don't know enough...?
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does he present any actual evidence in the video? If he has recorded some evidence from the site and area which contradicts the other reports and evidence, then he has something worth listening to, at least.

However, without any of that, it's just conjecture, no? No different to what you and I are doing here, speculating...
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, without any of that, it's just conjecture, no? No different to what you and I are doing here, speculating...


I think his words carry far more weight than yours (no offence) or mine with regards to the possible dangers following a nuclear incident. Hence why I posted a link by him.

I believe if you watch the video you will see he quotes the relevant data for the hot particles found in lungs (Tokyo and Fukashima). Probably worth doing a bit of digging to read the actual studies if you wanted.

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PostPosted: 15:11 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No offense taken, they probably do - as I say, this is not my subject by any means.

However, it's science, and science requires evidence. Simples.

There's plenty of people on YouTube who swear blind there were no planes on 9/11 too, and most of them think they have some kind of evidence, but when investigated, it either doesn't exist at all or is so flimsy a fart would blow it away...
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
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However, without any of that, it's just conjecture, no? No different to what you and I are doing here, speculating...


I think his words carry far more weight than yours (no offence) or mine with regards to the possible dangers following a nuclear incident. Hence why I posted a link by him.

I believe if you watch the video you will see he quotes the relevant data for the hot particles found in lungs (Tokyo and Fukashima). Probably worth doing a bit of digging to read the actual studies if you wanted.

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Hot particles can be detected by Geiger Muller equipment actually, so I don't know where that information comes from

In order to have radiation, you need something to emit it. That something is what might be described as a 'hot particle'. Hence, all radiation comes from hot particles of some form or another. If it doesn't come from a hot particle, then it comes from a solid lump of radioactive material which will be ionising the atmosphere around it like crazy, hence is detectable by Geiger Muller equipment.

I strongly suspect that I'll either watch the youtube clip and declare it nonsense, or I'll watch the youtube clip and discover that Kris has completely misinterpreted it.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 30 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My other question is this...

If it's too dangerous to hold a race event there, wouldn't there have been a greater effort to evacuate the people living nearby? If it's that dangerous, would not these people have potentially suffered a catastropic level of radiation by now, and wouldn't we be seeing related ongoing deaths?
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your rating of that post mean that you can't answer it, brains?

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PostPosted: 11:42 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does your rating of that post mean that you can't answer it, brains?


Redundant question based on your morality 'tis all.

A similar question would be 'Wouldn't the UK & US make bloody sure there were WMD in Iraq before invading?' Yes, would be nice if we lived in a world where people thought and acted that way but unfortunately TEPCO have been caught lying before.

I'm still waiting for Marjorie to disprove Gundersen but I fear I'll be waiting for a while.

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
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Does your rating of that post mean that you can't answer it, brains?


Redundant question based on your morality 'tis all.

A similar question would be 'Wouldn't the UK & US make bloody sure there were WMD in Iraq before invading?' Yes, would be nice if we lived in a world where people thought and acted that way but unfortunately TEPCO have been caught lying before.

I'm still waiting for Marjorie to disprove Gundersen but I fear I'll be waiting for a while.

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I wouldn't aim to disprove him, only discredit. To be honest I've got better things to do than to dredge up my university Particle Physics... If I was to disprove him I'd have to do experimentation. In order to discredit him I'd have to see the video which I haven't been arsed to watch yet.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I was to disprove him I'd have to do experimentation. In order to discredit him I'd have to see the video which I haven't been arsed to watch yet.


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PostPosted: 16:43 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't that better, actually making an adult reply explaining yourself? Laughing Very Happy

Anyway, the video is - as expected - completely free of actual evidence. He talks about what he found, but he doesn't actually present it for review, unlike all the reports saying it's safe. MarJay has missed fuck all that's pertinent to the discussion. I could put a video on YouTube with a load of scientific stuff I'd Googled, too. Wouldn't make me right.

Let me guess... Do you believe there were explosives in the WTC on 9/11, too? I bet you do. After all, someone on the internet said so!

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