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shaun1118
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: RS 125 or CBR125 Reply with quote

Well, I will be doing the road part of my CBT tomorrow so have been looking at 125's so I can have a play before I do my DAS course.

So far Im liking the Aprilia RS125 and Honda CBR125 which one would you go for? Or could you recomend a similar 'styled' bike?

Im just after somthing to have a play on and just get used to riding on the road (but dont want anything too slow) before I do my DAS cos I know once I do my DAS, I wont have the disapline to remain safe and buy a reasonable bike Laughing

I wont be doing any long commutes... I got a car for that so just want a nippy bike that handles well to have some fun on.

Cue ramblings about just doing your DAS and getting a proper bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what we are going to say, don't you?
NO 125 is that quick, all are 'nippy' enough.
Personally, I'd be more concerned about which was the easiest to sell, with least depreciation, once I had a licence, and least likely to be 'hassle' while I owned it, vis how likely I was to drop it, and how difficult and expensive it would be to repair.... leading a sensible person to something like a YBR125 or CBF 125.... MAYBE, just MAYBE a CBR125 at a pinch....
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: RS 125 or CBR125 Reply with quote

RS125. Keep it, destrict it after you get your license, use it for larks until it assplodes.

If you're going to sell up, the CBR125, since it's less likely to shag itself before you can get shot of it.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The RS is the better bike by miles, but maintanence is a big thing.

Where as CBR is a CG with a fairing. Not exciting but fairly reliable.

If it's a toy and you don't mind tinkering get a RS.

Everyone says do your test, as all 125's are rubbish, but get what you want mate!

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PostPosted: 21:58 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan87 wrote:
The RS is the better bike by miles, but maintanence is a big thing.

'Better' is very subjective.... its the more sophisticated, and its the higher performance machine, granted. Whether that makes it 'better' is another matter.... 'better' insurance premiums, better mpg, better running costs, better spares back up, better reliability, many would argue made the CBR the 'better' bike, particularly compared to 'restricted' learner legal RS that doesn't actually have the 'better' performance for the sacrifices.....
PErsonally, I think lower buy price, better durability of a YBR makes that 'better' for a learner than either.....
Depends what the criteria are.....
Is an R1 'better' than a Pan European?
Is an MZ250ETZ 'better' than a Honda VFR400?
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan87 wrote:
The RS is the better bike by miles, but maintanence is a big thing.

Where as CBR is a CG with a fairing. Not exciting but fairly reliable.


Having ridden both..

The CBR Would be my preferred choice.

My RS was quite a highly strung bike and the CBR takes the same old shit every single day.

RS has died twice and I owned it for 2 months, the CBR isnt dead yet... and i've owned it for over a year, as has my brother... who doesnt maintain a thing.

CBR is good to do your test on, the RS I could see it being a bit of a bugger.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 31 Aug 2011    Post subject: Re: RS 125 or CBR125 Reply with quote

shaun1118 wrote:
Well, I will be doing the road part of my CBT tomorrow so have been looking at 125's so I can have a play before I do my DAS course.

So far Im liking the Aprilia RS125 and Honda CBR125 which one would you go for? Or could you recomend a similar 'styled' bike?

Im just after somthing to have a play on and just get used to riding on the road (but dont want anything too slow) before I do my DAS cos I know once I do my DAS, I wont have the disapline to remain safe and buy a reasonable bike Laughing

I wont be doing any long commutes... I got a car for that so just want a nippy bike that handles well to have some fun on.

Cue ramblings about just doing your DAS and getting a proper bike Laughing


I like the CBR better, I used to have an RS but couldnt get used to it and wanted something a bit easier for a learner. So now I have the CBR it is much slower but I feel more confident on it. I did my CBT about 3 months ago but wanted a 125 to practice on as I probably wont do test until next year now.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: RS 125 or CBR125 Reply with quote

Whatsername wrote:
So now I have the CBR it is much slower


Should only be a bit slower on acceleration... RS still tops out around 75 in restricted form Wink
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
neither,there both sh!t for different reasons

get a ybr


This is the correct answer.

Sporty looking 125's are just that, sporty looking and they are about as sporty as the Big betty the school dinner lady.

If you know your going to get rid of it after you pass your DAS then why buy one in the first place? Would be like buying a dog and barking yourself. Utterly pointless. If you must get a bike to give you some road sense then get a sensible 125. Failing that pass your test without buying your own bike and then buy what ever you want afterwards.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:

Sporty looking 125's are just that, sporty looking and they are about as sporty as the Big betty the school dinner lady.


Nope, as Big Betty the school dinner lady and large bikes share excess weight while the 125s are light weight.

Having half decent performance (which a full power 125 has, although not a learner legal one) while producing it in a useful way and handling well gives something that is fun to ride and where getting the feeling of actually using most of the performance doesn't mean silly speeds.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:32 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


Nope, as Big Betty the school dinner lady and large bikes share excess weight while the 125s are light weight.



Ahh but master Keith. The sporty 125 will do 75mph or so just like the YBR or the CG, all be it slighty quicker. A suzuki bandit, which weighs twice as much as the RS, will do 70MPH without breaking a sweat and leave the sportier 125 behind.

Thats the point I was trying to make. Take the R1 for example. A bike thats more than capable of leaving the sportiest 125 behind without leaving first gear. The OP has already decided that he will be wanting to upgrade to a faster bike after his test.

Personally I think buying a sporty 125 is a false economy. They are not fast, they are not easy to maintain and they are not worth the resale value drop. Buying one with the knowladge before hand that you will be getting rid of it when you pass your test is even more a false economy.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Personally I think buying a sporty 125 is a false economy. They are not fast, they are not easy to maintain and they are not worth the resale value drop.


Agree totally.

I have more fun riding the Cityfly than I do the CBR. CBR is trying to be a sports bike, but gets followed closely by the enduro bike Laughing

But... if you are set on a bike and you arent sure if you'll have the money to run it properly get the CBR, because that doesnt mind if you use 10w40 oil or vegetable oil..

The RS does mind if you use sub standard oil... and it lets you know with a bill for ~£250 at best Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not once you derestrict them when something around 100 becomes possible. And that leaves being able to push the engine as something that can be done easily, while the R1 you mention needs 170+ to get the same feeling of pushing the engine.

However only makes sense if derestricted, so legally full licence required.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:45 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Not once you derestrict them when something around 100 becomes possible.

Keith


True, but something magical about doing over that in 1st gear on G's bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True, but does mean finding somewhere where you can actually push the engine is a rare event.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
i'd have a rs now as i've passed my test,so i can afford to rag it without the need to do my test on it

as keith said,i'd rather push the 125 to its limits then a r1 lol


That's what I would like an old round lamp Mito for...

But, I'm too pragmatic, and much as l like the look of the old mito, and the way they ride, and as Keith says, the 'unforgiving' nature of the bike demanding you give it 10/10ths to get ANYTHING out of it, really, let alone its 'best', all within an envelope that's no SO daft in public roads.....

Its a quixotic special, and I know that if I do ever get one, it will be mostly for the fun of renovating, and then as a staitic display piece sat in my collection, or in the stack at the very occassional meet I might take it to!

For the 'All or Nothing' high octane 'experience'.... You need to take it to the track.... no gatso cameras, no pop up pedestrians, nice wide tree-free run off strips and a St Johns ambulance on Stand-By!

And followng THAT idea to a conclusion, the self imposed limitations of a 125 road bike aren't necessary, you could run a 400, 600 or litre bike, and 'push it', if you wanted; and there are a lot of bikes that are a lot more 'at home' on the circuit, you can push the envelope on, which can be easier on maintenence and your wallet.... BUT...... depends what you are looking for really.

As said; "Best" is a very subjective thing. In sanctioned race, its what crosses the line ahead of every-one elce....... every where elce, depends what you want it to do for you.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just like to add the RS is a road going GP bike, fantastic at somethings but not everything do some research then spend your money. I would buy the RS but then again my bike is a toy and I have a car.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things OP mentioned: 'Something to play on' 'Don't want aything too slow' 'No long commutes' 'Handles well and can have some fun on'

Things not mentioned: Maintenance, resale value, reliability, GSXR1000's, R1's, YBRs, insurance blah blah blah.

The lad is askng about the two bikes he fancies, not how tight arsed the population of BCF is. He says he wants a bike that handles well to enjoy, the RS125 embodies everything about that.

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PErsonally, I think lower buy price, better durability of a YBR makes that 'better' for a learner than either.....
Depends what the criteria are.....
Is an R1 'better' than a Pan European?
Is an MZ250ETZ 'better' than a Honda VFR400?


Already said that he wants something not too slow and handles well. So we'd be looking at the R1 or VFR as being 'better'.

Anyway given the criteria actually mentioned VS the economy brigades opinions there isnt really a contest between the two options. I must have been really lucky with my RS125 as a first bike as it seemed pretty quick, handled very well and didnt blow up. Then again I dont choose my bikes on the basis of mpg, sellability, spares back up, insurance etc. I tend to buy what I want to buy!
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the middle ground Shocked

The Honda NSR 125. Far more reliable than the RS and only slightly slower. I wish I had never sold my full power NSR, as Keith says there is something magical about pushing the engine to it's limits and never really being in that much danger of loosing your licence. Oh and the smell of Motul 710 in the morning Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 22:07 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your replys, most seem reasonable points Cool

Anyhow taking onboard some more apropriate posts Ive found a 2008 CBR125 with few miles so gonna have a look at that next time im in England.

I really dont have time to do My DAS this side of going on tour, I barely have time to see my family so I just want to squeeze what I possibly can out of a CBT Laughing Money isnt a object really cos you cant spend it where im going Laughing Laughing When I get back Ill be doing my DAS asap the Ill be buying a proper bike Wink
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
Stuff


He's also said:

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cos I know once I do my DAS, I wont have the disapline to remain safe and buy a reasonable bike


Ergo he wants a bike that he can get rid of again when he has passed his test for something bigger. Therefore making anything before passing his DAS nothing more than a means to an end.

From the OP it seems that he's doing his first ever CBT. Any bike you have will seem fast the first time your on it. Chances are good, from the way the post follows, that he will be doing DAS sooner rather than later.

If he wants something nippy and easy to handle, hell me may as well go for something like an XT 125 or even a KLX. They are nippy, they handle fantastically and he can even take them off road if he so wishes for extra thrills and as many greenlaners will attest to, Its good fun.

Personally the recomendations for the "sensible and boring" bikes are valid because he has stated that he will be upgrading to an "unreasonable" bike after his DAS.

Given the choice I'd take the sensible 125 until my DAS and then buy my hooligan bike. I'll get a lot more road sense on the sensible upright bike than cramped on the sporty machine with my arse in the air.

But then what do I know? Wink
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

But he WANTS the bike. Maybe he's not so small munded and tight fisted as fir money to be his only motivation in life?

The criteria wasnt 'easy to handle' it was 'handles well'. Road riding I would take the rs125 over the mentioned crossers.

Im sorry for being stubborn but a lot of posters are happy to remove any fun from anything for the sake of saving a few quid or just to belittle someone.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see where your coming from Villers. I just tend to look at the long term rather than short term fix. If he's honest with himself it wont be the CBR or the RS that he wants. It'll be something like the GSXR he seen tear down the road on the back wheel last week or the R1 his mates uncles sisters dog has.

In all honesty I'd probably take the RS over the crossers I mentioned. Partly because I do think the RS is a great looking, all be it, not cost effective bike but mostly because my little legs wouldnt stretch over the tall crossers!

Its easy for us that have already got the big bike to sit and dis the small sporty 125 2 stroke machines. Its also easy to forget that we all probably once wanted one. Its not so easy to forget the mistakes we made in owning a bike we liked at 125 level and then realising we've wasted money, time and effort keeping it on the road when we could have put the money towards our big bike and owned it all the sooner.

I bought a 125 chinese cruiser style, all shiney and chrome because at the time I liked it. It cost me almost twice what a CG would have cost. I then had no end of trouble keeping it on the road in garage costs. Ended up giving the bike to a mechanic who scrapped it. The thing was 2 years old. Given the chance to go back I would have bought a CG or something like it and passed my test all the quicker for it.
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