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benandthe
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 03 Sep 2011    Post subject: small nick in my barrel/ snapped piston ring/ shredded parts Reply with quote

I've managed to snap my piston ring thanks to bits of metal....

Basically I was going uphill on my 70cc scooter at about 60mph and the gudgeon pin decided to get sharp, shred the gudgeon pin and spit bits of metal all around my crank and up my ports into the head/piston: https://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd482/Ben_Piranha_Lewis/DSC01911.jpg

Not the best moment of my life, seeing as I was on the isle of wight scooter rally.. lol

Luckily there is only very minimal damage to the barrel :

https://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd482/Ben_Piranha_Lewis/SAM_0175.jpg

Any ideas/ suggestions on removing the nick?
Just, carefully, get a bremmel drill on there?
Can't really port it out anymore as it's already massively ported, it's the "Stage 6 Racing 70cc" kit.
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PostPosted: 07:42 - 04 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may also have to consider splitting the engine cases to make sure nothing has been left inside, last thing you want to do is rebuild the top end and then have some poxy piece of metal screw everything up again.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 04 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Quack wrote:
If it’s a chrome bore it's a re-chrome.
If it's a cast bore it's a re-sleeve.

I'm sure there will be a re-bore kit knocking around for you scooter.
If you go for this don't forget to up-jet the carburettor.

Looks like you cay a whole new top end. (It will be a lot cheaper this way)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/piaggio-nrg-polini-70cc-big-bore-kit-/270799353880?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0ce63818


You DON'T need to alter the jetting for simple first or second oversize. Carburettors mix air and fuel based on demand, they don't deliver a set amount.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 04 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Quack wrote:
If it’s a chrome bore it's a re-chrome.
If it's a cast bore it's a re-sleeve.

I'm sure there will be a re-bore kit knocking around for you scooter.
If you go for this don't forget to up-jet the carburettor.

Looks like you cay a whole new top end. (It will be a lot cheaper this way)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/piaggio-nrg-polini-70cc-big-bore-kit-/270799353880?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f0ce63818


Sod the polini kit, it sucks. I'm running one now as a spare, they are cheap and nasty and slow.

I'm using the Stage 6 ally racing kit, most powerful one there is, second to the Malossi MHR (I'm producing about 12bhp with it, not bad seeing as I've not got anything else set up properly at the moment!
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 04 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MickC wrote:
You may also have to consider splitting the engine cases to make sure nothing has been left inside, last thing you want to do is rebuild the top end and then have some poxy piece of metal screw everything up again.


Already done that, rinsed it with loads of petrol and 2 stroke, all clean. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 04 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MickC wrote:
You may also have to consider splitting the engine cases to make sure nothing has been left inside, last thing you want to do is rebuild the top end and then have some poxy piece of metal screw everything up again.


Already done that, rinsed it with loads of petrol and 2 stroke, all clean. Smile

Oh and the guy on ebay wrote "welcome to my auction for a brand new still in box pollini 70cc big bore kit was oriaganly brought for a nrg mc3 will up load pic asap the box has been opened to check contents. i payed £145.65 for this so grab your self a bargain many thanks
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Yet you can buy them for £90 on pedparts.co.uk lol
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 04 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There could be piston slap, we don't know how bad the barrel is.
Looking at the piston the barrel is well cooked.

Source: Built loads of top ends.

Yet you can buy them for £90 on pedparts.co.uk lol


What's that got to do with my reply on re-jetting?

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Two stroke barrels wear down the exhaust port side so place the pistion in and check for piston slap before deciding weather or not you will get away with a re-hone and an oversized piston kit.


You don't fit an oversize piston from honing a barrel either. Honing doesn't guarantee the bore is round unless you happen to have a sunnen in your pocket.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really don't know why people argue on my threads. lol

Anyhow, it's fixed and running like a dream again now, got a mate to carefully port it a little and the nick is gone now, the excess coking on the head is due to me not pre-mixing at the right ratio and having too much oil in there, so it's making a mess.

These Stage 6 kits are notorious for needing a new piston ever 3000 miles or so. oh well. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all good and well so far, went in for a quick dyno run at my mates shop, kicking out a lovely 10.4bhp, run on a moped dyno not a full bike dyno so it's much more accurate, all factors like air pressure and temperate and sea level elevation taken in. Very Happy

He had a look at the piston and the barrel and said no issues, but the kit is designed for sprinting rather than long distance riding really. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

benandthenrg wrote:
..but the kit is designed for sprinting rather than long distance riding really. Smile


Roughly translated - it has cooling issues!
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
benandthenrg wrote:
..but the kit is designed for sprinting rather than long distance riding really. Smile


Roughly translated - it has cooling issues!


yeah, it's an air cooled scooter. gonna see what ebay has to offer and I will try to get a liquid cooled. or get some kind of additional fan blowing air on the head...
any ideas?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

benandthenrg wrote:

yeah, it's an air cooled scooter. gonna see what ebay has to offer and I will try to get a liquid cooled. or get some kind of additional fan blowing air on the head...
any ideas?


Or just get a water cooled ped and mod that instead? As for a fan, you'd be better off trying to duct air from the front, taking advantage of the existing forward movement of the bike! Powering a decent sized fan with a good volume of airflow on a ped could be a real pain! You could also try increasing the size of the cooling fins by adding some copper or aluminium sheets to them, but don't make any holes or cuts into the existing piece in doing so, just to be on the safe side.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking about cutting out a section between the footwell and the front of the bike, behind the wheel, and having some kind of tubing going through from the front onto the head/engine. not sure how or what it would be made of, would also be wanting to fibreglass over it to make it look better.

Oh well, it works now and I don't normally ride her that far.
It's good for now. Very Happy
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