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Germ
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Just ordered a custom built(?) blue flame evo can + linkpipe Reply with quote

So,I really wanted a blue flame exhaust but everywhere I looked they said "air cooled" instead of "oil cooled" for my year of bike which kinda confused me.Went on the blue flame site and had the same problem.Phoned the company today and had a great chat with a nice Brummie bloke who didn't know either lol.

Turns out they class the oil cooled as air cooled which seems odd ,surely I'm not the only owner who's been confused by this?

Anywho he asked what I wanted and I told him a 350mm ,black carbon,oval with twin outlets.....he said they don't keep 'em in stock and standard cans are 400mm but he could build me one to my specs and he'd give me a nice discount......told me the standard price is £299 for the can but he'd do me it for £250 delivered.

So,it should be with me Thursday/Friday and gonna fit it Saturday or Sunday.
Anything I need to know when removing old can from a GSF650 K6 Bandit and when fitting the new one? Does the old HUGE can just slide off or does it need cutting off? If it needs cutting then where should it be cut?

As you can tell this is all new to me so decided a bit of preperation and knowledge might save a costly foobar!


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PostPosted: 12:28 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Just ordered a custom built(?) blue flame evo can Reply with quote

Germ wrote:
Anything I need to know when removing old can from a GSF650 K6 Bandit and when fitting the new one? Does the old HUGE can just slide off or does it need cutting off? If it needs cutting then where should it be cut?

As you can tell this is all new to me so decided a bit of preperation and knowledge might save a costly foobar!


Is the can a bolt on or is it a whole exhaust system on the Bandit?

Surely you know that? Because if he makes a can with a link pipe, its a cut and weld/clamp job, if its a bolt on then... yea its simply unbolt, bolt new one.. win.


[edit] quick google looks like one piece... meaning cutting the original exhaust, i've never done this so cant help you at all Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll find the 650 has an all in one welded up link pipe and can. If so you can't really cut it and clamp the new can up to it. You should have ordered a can and link pipe. £250 just for a can even though you got the £50 discount is fucking expensive it's going to be even more so if you have to get a linkpipe as well.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current can is the bog standard mahassive exhaust,new one comes with link pipe and all fittings.

https://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/Germonicus/Bikes/P200811_11560001.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Just ordered a custom built(?) blue flame evo can Reply with quote

Your bike is air cooled, all bikes have oil in to aid lubrication and a lot of modern bikes are water cooled with a rad at the front to cool the water that is pumped round the engine to remove heat.

Because your bike doesn't have water cooling the oil goes through a radiator to help keep temps down.

There are plenty of bikes that have oil coolers as well as a waterjacket doesn't make them oil and water cooled.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've got the link pipe then fine, the only problem you may have is when you take the old one off you might bugger the collector joint up. Its the Bandits common downfall problem, the collector has a mild steel collar that clamps to the link, this collar rusts and rots eventually totally failing. Your bike is about ripe for it to happen (5-6years old) so just be careful, it can be repaired if and when it goes.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Just ordered a custom built(?) blue flame evo can Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Your bike is air cooled, all bikes have oil in to aid lubrication and a lot of modern bikes are water cooled with a rad at the front to cool the water that is pumped round the engine to remove heat.

Because your bike doesn't have water cooling the oil goes through a radiator to help keep temps down.

There are plenty of bikes that have oil coolers as well as a waterjacket doesn't make them oil and water cooled.


Sorry but you're wrong.The Bandit and it's early GSXR parent engines are all deemed SACS motors (Suzuki Advanced Cooling System) and are oil/air cooled motors, to save me a lot of typing......

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The SACS system uses high volumes of engine oil aimed at strategic points of the engine, like the top of the combustion chamber, which are not typically well served by air cooling alone. In order to provide enough oil for both cooling and lubrication, the system uses a double chamber oil pump, using the high pressure side for lubrication of the parts (crankshaft, connecting rods, valvetrain), while the low pressure, high volume side provides oil to the cooling & filtering circuit. The oil removes heat from hot engine parts through direct contact, is pumped away and subsequently routed through the oil filter, followed by routing through an oil cooler before being returned to the main sump

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PostPosted: 13:02 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Just ordered a custom built(?) blue flame evo can Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Your bike is air cooled, all bikes have oil in to aid lubrication and a lot of modern bikes are water cooled with a rad at the front to cool the water that is pumped round the engine to remove heat.

Because your bike doesn't have water cooling the oil goes through a radiator to help keep temps down.

There are plenty of bikes that have oil coolers as well as a waterjacket doesn't make them oil and water cooled.


Sorry but you're wrong.The Bandit and it's early GSXR parent engines are all deemed SACS motors (Suzuki Advanced Cooling System) and are oil/air cooled motors, to save me a lot of typing......

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The SACS system uses high volumes of engine oil aimed at strategic points of the engine, like the top of the combustion chamber, which are not typically well served by air cooling alone. In order to provide enough oil for both cooling and lubrication, the system uses a double chamber oil pump, using the high pressure side for lubrication of the parts (crankshaft, connecting rods, valvetrain), while the low pressure, high volume side provides oil to the cooling & filtering circuit. The oil removes heat from hot engine parts through direct contact, is pumped away and subsequently routed through the oil filter, followed by routing through an oil cooler before being returned to the main sump



So it has more oil and a bigger oil pump? I think most air cooled bikes have this compared to water cooled bikes. SACS is marketing speak. IMO it's like saying my KR1S doesn't have a Powervalve it has KIPS.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

See im with Chris on this one..

If its not water cool its air cooled.. that is how I see it.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

So it has more oil and a bigger oil pump?


Exactly

chris-red wrote:

I think most air cooled bikes have this compared to water cooled bikes.


Not at the time it is was introduced by Suzuki they didn't

chris-red wrote:

SACS is marketing speak. IMO it's like saying my KR1S doesn't have a Powervalve it has KIPS.


No matter what it's called you still can't away from the fact that it uses extra oil circulation for cooling as well as lubrication. "Oil cooled" is a totally accepted term used to describe these engines and differentiates them from the earlier air cooled models.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:



Not at the time it is was introduced by Suzuki they didn't



Are you sure about that?
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Bezzer wrote:



Not at the time it is was introduced by Suzuki they didn't



Are you sure about that?


Pretty much so yes, but no matter what "unique selling point" a bike supposedly introduces it's always got it's roots in the past and just been updated. Suzuki were still in the oil cooled age whereas Kawasaki had moved on the year before to liquid cooled superbikes with the GPZ.
The argument here though is if it's oil cooled and you can't accept the fact that using a twin chamber high volume oil pump to give that extra oiling to specific parts isn't really oil cooling even though that is what it was intended to do and has been accepted as such for donkeys years.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the issue? If the rad has water in, its water cooled. Oil? Oil cooled. No radiator? Air cooled. To me the pic is an oil cooled bandit
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
What's the issue? If the raf has water in, its water cooled. Oil? Oil cooled. No radiator? Air cooled. To me the pic is an oil cooled bandit


People with certain Ducatis would disagree with you. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
What's the issue? If the raf has water in, its water cooled. Oil? Oil cooled. No radiator? Air cooled. To me the pic is an oil cooled bandit


People with certain Ducatis would disagree with you. Laughing


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PostPosted: 17:31 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
What's the issue? If the raf has water in, its water cooled. Oil? Oil cooled. No radiator? Air cooled. To me the pic is an oil cooled bandit


People with certain Ducatis would disagree with you. Laughing


I thought Ducati's were all cooled by the same means.... the breaking down cooling method. Every few hundred meters it breaks down to cool down. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idea Ok,now back on topic
.....what do you reckon to a Blueflame,oval carbon stubby with twin ports and all the components to fit it for £250? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

its oil cooled, not air cooled.


does the can have a clamp on it? you may need a link pipe made up
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can comes with clamp,hanger,linkpipe and all the stainless nuts n bolts to do the job Smile
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't sound too bad, just remember the big pair of circlip pliers you will need to get the baffles out, you will loose 10 man points for each baffle you leave in Mr. Green Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
Doesn't sound too bad, just remember the big pair of circlip pliers you will need to get the baffles out, you will loose 10 man points for each baffle you leave in Mr. Green Thumbs Up


Hoping it'll be loud.....planned on using it as a safety feature to help cagers detect me more Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

id say get them to make you up a link pipe too
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuzukiTom wrote:
id say get them to make you up a link pipe too


As stated 3 or 4 times so far .... I'm not just getting the can,it comes with link pipe,clamp,hanger and all the bits n pieces to fit it Smile

Cheapest link pipe I've seen is £33 + £8 p&p,not sure how much the bracketry,clamp,hanger etc would add to the cost....maybe another £25 - £30?
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