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ben m
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: restricting a 250cc Reply with quote
is there anyway of restricting a 250cc to make it learner legal?
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: restricting a 250cc Reply with quote
ben m wrote:
is there anyway of restricting a 250cc to make it learner legal?


No. As a learner you can't ride anything larger than a 125cc AND making no more power than 14.6 bhp.

(Unless you're over 21 and on a DAS course.)
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: restricting a 250cc Reply with quote
ben m wrote:
is there anyway of restricting a 250cc to make it learner legal?



No.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fit a sidecar. Even then its power to weight must not exceed 0.16KW/Kg.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Temeluchus wrote:
Fit a sidecar. Even then its power to weight must not exceed 0.16KW/Kg.


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PostPosted: 15:23 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Temeluchus wrote:
Fit a sidecar. Even then its power to weight must not exceed 0.16KW/Kg.


But the bike itself still needs not to be over 125..

There's no loopholes anymore!
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I suppose you could sleeve it, or fit a 125cc engine...? A bit extreme when you can actually buy a 125 that's learner legal out of the box.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it's a twin, pull one of the spark plugs out. That might not satisfy Plod though - he's a bit of a pedant - so you'd be as well filling that cylinder with concrete.

If it's a single cylinder, then only fill it half way, obviously.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
If it's a twin, pull one of the spark plugs out. That might not satisfy Plod though - he's a bit of a pedant - so you'd be as well filling that cylinder with concrete.

If it's a single cylinder, then only fill it half way, obviously.


Better to use mortar, the stones in concrete will get stuck in the plug hole.

Obviously I mean bricklayers mortar, not artillery rounds.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is impossible.

If you are on 'L' plates, you cannot ride a motorcycle >125cc or >14.6bhp, unless you are on your DAS course, over 21 and being supervised by a trained instructor.

Pass your test instead of looking for loopholes that don't exist. Thumbs Up!
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Andy_Pagin wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
If it's a twin, pull one of the spark plugs out. That might not satisfy Plod though - he's a bit of a pedant - so you'd be as well filling that cylinder with concrete.

If it's a single cylinder, then only fill it half way, obviously.


Better to use mortar, the stones in concrete will get stuck in the plug hole.

Obviously I mean bricklayers mortar, not artillery rounds.


Embarassed You're quite right. I was thinking of a mix with pea-gravel aggregate, but that's not technically concrete, and it's important to be precise - I shudder to think what would happen if you mis-mortared an engine. Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blurredman wrote:


But the bike itself still needs not to be over 125..

There's no loopholes anymore!


utter rubbish. engine can be any siz on l plates if a sidecar is fitted, provided it doent exceed the power to weight limit.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://m.direct.gov.uk/syndicationController?action=view¶m=DG_4022568&st=0&utn=71eb4e096a3e4431a146201109142034
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 14 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
That link doesn't work.


The law is so bloody vuage. But a "0.16KW/Kg" restriction still doesn't answer it, you could have a a heavy bike and side car equating to 0.16KW/Kg but the bike could be 500cc, as long as the thing is 4 times heavier than a 125 with sidecar, I don't understand the sense.



I'm just reading through this though..

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=60195&view=previous
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blurredman wrote:
That link doesn't work.


The law is so bloody vuage. But a "0.16KW/Kg" restriction still doesn't answer it, you could have a a heavy bike and side car equating to 0.16KW/Kg but the bike could be 500cc, as long as the thing is 4 times heavier than a 125 with sidecar, I don't understand the sense.



I'm just reading through this though..

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=60195&view=previous


The link is now fixed.

The point is that a sidecar outfit is considerably heavier than a solo so needs more power overall for the same performance. The power to weight ratio keeps overall performance in the range of a 125 solo. So yes, it won't be any faster than a 125. But it is an over 125 l plate legal bike. One can always detach the sidecar once you pass your test.
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PostPosted: 02:15 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Temeluchus wrote:
Fit a sidecar. Even then its power to weight must not exceed 0.16KW/Kg.

Goodbye filtering/leaning around corners/having fun on a motorcycle.
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PostPosted: 05:57 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
ClockworkJesus wrote:

Goodbye filtering/leaning around corners/having fun on a motorcycle.


You've obviously never ridden an outfit.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
ClockworkJesus wrote:
Temeluchus wrote:
Fit a sidecar. Even then its power to weight must not exceed 0.16KW/Kg.

Goodbye filtering/leaning around corners/having fun on a motorcycle.


Have you ever ridden a sidecar outfit?
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wouldn't it be easier to buy an RSX100 or GP100 and enjoy until you've passed your test?
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
IainC wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to buy an RSX100 or GP100 and enjoy until you've passed your test?


Or buy GSXR1000, attach micra as side car.

Who looks cooler Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Temeluchus wrote:

You've obviously never ridden an outfit.


Depends if grimly hanging onto the bars of a totally unbalanced, motor vehicle with three eccentric wheels, one powered wheel, totally counter-intuative controls and a flagrant disregard for the gyroscopic effects of a rotating body while being constantly in fear of this mismatched balance of forces all pinging apart and throwing you into the nearest hedge is your idea of fun.

I would quite happily never ride another combination ever again. I made this decision immediately after seeing one of said combos that I had previously been sat on go sailing over my head and roll down a ravine end-over-end, from the position of lying flat on my back in a bush halfway down said ravine with one arm snmashed to bits.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I would quite happily never ride another combination ever again. I made this decision immediately after seeing one of said combos that I had previously been sat on go sailing over my head and roll down a ravine end-over-end, from the position of lying flat on my back in a bush halfway down said ravine with one arm snmashed to bits.


I was laughing like hell right up until this point Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I would quite happily never ride another combination ever again. I made this decision immediately after seeing one of said combos that I had previously been sat on go sailing over my head and roll down a ravine end-over-end, from the position of lying flat on my back in a bush halfway down said ravine with one arm snmashed to bits.



And you call yourself a man Rolling Eyes

To be fair... I think that would put me off.... a lot.. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paint-style diagram for your collective entertainment.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 15 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Depends if grimly hanging onto the bars of a totally unbalanced, motor vehicle [...] with one arm smashed to bits.


Spotted your problem there, I think. Whistle
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