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Redoko
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: DSLR. Reply with quote

Looking at upgrading my old point and shoot soon.

Done a bit of looking around the web after a mate whos keen on his photography (as in his cameras worth half my bike keen Neutral )
He recommended me the Sony A290 for a starter or 'entry level' DLSR.

Does anyone have this camera?

Opinions etc?

Or even other models, budget £-300
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now this, this should be in Geek Zone, yet mine's moved from Random Bantor when it wasn't technical.

Cool eh? Laughing

My dad very recently got a canon one, it's pretty special. Il ask him what model it is, he spent 5 months waiting for a good deal on it.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's more about learning about DSLRs as much as it is about reviews, new to this thing but very keen to get involved.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having recently dipped my toe into the DSLR world myself, I understand your predicament.

In the end, after reading countless reviews, I just thought "Well, they're all going to be good just pick one". I went for the Canon 1000D in the end and I'm happy enough with it. There camera is better than I am at the moment. I assume cameras are like bikes in the way that the user will rarely use it to 100% of its capability.

For me with hindsight, and it's funnily enough what people told me, it's about the lenses you're going to use and their price etc that's equally important.

Think about what you want to take photos of and how much suitable lenses are.

Again, like bikes, a pro could do things that you couldn't come close to with the same kit.

Anyway, there's lots of people on here who know far, far more than me so wait for their advice Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'd look at offerings from either Canon or Nikon (you can't go wrong with either) and forget the rest. The way Sony like to screw over their customers, I'd avoid them like the plague!

I've got a Nikon D70 and some lenses that cost far more than the camera, and in the time I've had it (about 5 years I think), its been superb.
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Redoko
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Having recently dipped my toe into the DSLR world myself, I understand your predicament.

In the end, after reading countless reviews, I just thought "Well, they're all going to be good just pick one". I went for the Canon 1000D in the end and I'm happy enough with it. There camera is better than I am at the moment. I assume cameras are like bikes in the way that the user will rarely use it to 100% of its capability.

For me with hindsight, and it's funnily enough what people told me, it's about the lenses you're going to use and their price etc that's equally important.

Think about what you want to take photos of and how much suitable lenses are.

Again, like bikes, a pro could do things that you couldn't come close to with the same kit.

Anyway, there's lots of people on here who know far, far more than me so wait for their advice Thumbs Up


Well after trawling the internet. I pretty much came the same result you have.

There are riders that could have me round a track on a 125 when I'm on my Hornet easy.

This is apparently what I'm looking for in a DSLR.

For macro shots and sport/action.

Image stabilization
Low noise at high ISO settings
Image noise reduction for slow shutter speeds
Remote shutter release

High continuous speed
Large buffer
Fast multi-point autofocus

But with a such low budget compared to the higher end cameras I don't settling with the A290 as apparently it's only draw back is lack of features where as it excels in quality and value for money, which ultimately, getting into the photography fun properly at this level is best.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I would say it depends on how many lenses you will need, and also whether you have / have access to other lenses.

Both Canon and Nikon have a good range of lenses, with plenty available 2nd hand and also a good range of 3rd party lenses. Sony less so. Pentax and Olympus even less so (and while Pentax have a fair range of shorter lenses, they have virtually no longer lenses).

I wouldn't worry about image stabilisation much.
Low noise at high ISO is a nice to have. But to be honest for any normal shooting I rarely use less than ISO 400, so what it is like at ISO 12800 is pretty irrelevant.
Noise reduction is a mixed blessing. You can likely do a good job using Photoshop instead, and the delay between taking a picture and it being saved can be VERY long with the noise reduction turned on Ie, on my Canon cameras it uses a second shot with the shutter closed, and uses the result of that to help sort out the proper shot, hence it takes just as long to save as the original shot too to shoot. Bit of a pain with a 30 second exposure.
Remote shutter release would be something I would expect to have.

You last 3 points are a bit of a wish list. Any consumer body you buy will be outperformed on these by the pro bodies. How much do you want to spend (a Canon 1D Mk4 is £3577). Also, for sports use (bike on track) most of the time I just use the centre a/f point.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Now this, this should be in Geek Zone, yet mine's moved from Random Bantor when it wasn't technical.

If you'd put it in here, it'd have stayed as it's asking a question (which should be done in this section.)

As it was a question a geek would be most likely to answer, I put it in there.
I normally move camera stuff to there from Random banter too.

For camera choice - do consider your upgrade path.
This is unfortunately partly why Canon and Nikon have such a monopoly, because they have such a monopoly.
I went for canon both because I had a canon EOS camera in 95 (and used various people on here's), and because I know that not only is there a wide range of lens and accessories for it easily available, but that there's a wide range of cameras they will work on.

I found the acceptable high ISO/low light stuff useful at Glastonbury etc.

The first is from a Panasonic LX3 (prosumer compact camera - nice and portable, but relatively small sensor) while the second is (a cropped shot) from a Canon 60d.
https://gees.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p170464006-4.jpg
https://gees.zenfolio.com/img/v21/p589755524-4.jpg
Both at ISO 3200.

60d at 6400:
https://gees.zenfolio.com/img/v23/p296269736-4.jpg
60d at 12800:
https://gees.zenfolio.com/img/v21/p598083946-4.jpg

As with bikes, a more expensive camera does mean the amateur can do more with less skill, while the profession requires the ease for business.

Incidentally, believe the next model down canon comes with the same sensor, but don't think it makes it to the entry level.
While I'd like some of the benefits of a full frame sensor, overall I was pleased with my choice.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
st3v3 wrote:
Now this, this should be in Geek Zone, yet mine's moved from Random Bantor when it wasn't technical.

If you'd put it in here, it'd have stayed as it's asking a question (which should be done in this section.)

As it was a question a geek would be most likely to answer, I put it in there.
I normally move camera stuff to there from Random banter too.
It wasn't though, was it?

It was a question that the general user base could have answered since pretty much everyone here has an account there. I considered that as it was an overall question, not so much Ebay coding or ways to hack in, someone else who doesn't visit the geek section (when the geeks also visit the section I put it in) might have had an answer that helped me, possibly others.

Thanks though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 26 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a photographer and a writer for a beginner photography magazine, i feel i can give some advice here.

Stick with Canon or Nikon. They have such a huge following compared to Sony, meaning there are more second hand accessories and lenses available, as well as useful forums and info.

Don't neglect second hand, as there are so many bargains to be had. Get a decent D60 or even D3000 for your budget and you may have money left for another lens.

Nikon wins quite easily at high ISO usage, and they also have better build quality in their entry level cameras. But Canon cameras can be good, but just don't seem to be up to the same quality these days.

Sorry i can't be more help - kind of busy. Feel free to PM me with more specific camera questions. It is my job afterall Mr. Green
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