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sickpup
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PostPosted: 02:17 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Puncture safe - UPDATED (a 2nd time) Reply with quote

Anyone using it or one of the equivalents?

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PostPosted: 02:52 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Anyone using it or one of the equivalents?

is it like that tyre-weld anti-puncture gunge stuff?
Wouldn't let it touch my bike. Neutral

You'd never know you have a puncture. Which, I guess is half the point of the stuff, but if you get a puncture on a load-bearing point of the tyre; like the supporting wall, you now have an unsafe tyre that you don't know about. That's my take anyway.

Besides, it ruins anything it touches. Shocked Corrodes rims, kills tyres...
Not worth it.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be very interested to hear other peoples views.

Apparently its not like tyre weld or slime, you can remove it from the tyre should you get a puncture (that it cant repair itself) so you can get the tyre plugged.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will permanently seal punctures caused by puncturing objects up to 6mm

The seal is guaranteed for the life of the tyre

Punctured – Puncturesafe seals giving a telltale mark

Perfect air retention state in the tyre

Helps extend tyre life.

Improved handling of the machine

Dampens vibrations, reduced suspension failure

No excessive heat, no excessive tyre wear

Applied before the puncture occurs

Is not a foam or a get you home product

Controls most blow-outs by giving a controlled deflation

Makes the "inner tyre" cooler

A 700 ml DIY bottle will do 2 or 3 tyres


Not seen it advertised at motogp or wsb rounds...yet it does so many wondrous things. Shifty
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used grunge twice on a bicycle inner tubes. Both times when I did get a puncture it made the tubes completely unrepairable. It stayed liquid which didn't create a good enough seal and I couldnt just plaster over with a patch because... Well.. it was liquid and just sprayed out and made the patch go splat when I put air in the tube.

Nice idea, but would take some effort convincing me it worked.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

ClockworkJesus wrote:

You'd never know you have a puncture. Which, I guess is half the point of the stuff, but if you get a puncture on a load-bearing point of the tyre; like the supporting wall, you now have an unsafe tyre that you don't know about. That's my take anyway.

Besides, it ruins anything it touches. Shocked Corrodes rims, kills tyres...
Not worth it.


On what do you base this opinion?
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used puncture safe, with all the logos around it about the royal mail using it. Yet to get a puncture so cant report.. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

Used various in dirt bikes and cars with some success. Of course, if it really works well, you don't even know you've got a puncture.
Also used aerosols that inflate the tyre. Again, had it work in some cases, but not all - ones from the pound shop have worked in some cases, can't really tell if they're any less good than other ones.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
ClockworkJesus wrote:

You'd never know you have a puncture. Which, I guess is half the point of the stuff, but if you get a puncture on a load-bearing point of the tyre; like the supporting wall, you now have an unsafe tyre that you don't know about. That's my take anyway.

Besides, it ruins anything it touches. Shocked Corrodes rims, kills tyres...
Not worth it.


On what do you base this opinion?

I watched a car tyre blow out once. She had a puncture, and the car was handling fine until the supporting wall gave out. The tyre practically exploded and separated the tread from the rest of the tyre.

If you have a puncture in a supporting wall of the tyre, half the weight of the bike is pressed against it. A small hole can quickly turn into a rip and worse with a few bumps. Tyre weld or a similar product only makes the puncture airtight. It doesn't return the tyre to a previous safe condition. Smile

A friend of mine filled his punctured tyre up with a similar style gunk. When he took it to a friend's garage to get the tyre repaired, said mechanic practically slipped him around the ear; said the liquid stuff can cause the steel on the rims to corrode, and makes the tyre unrepairable after use.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, my tyre fitter mate says the only stuff like this to use is Puncturesafe because it doesn't do the nasty things mentioned, so I put it in my tyres and havent had a puncture. It means you can't ballance the wheel but that is no problem because it self-ballances every time you ride.

One lad I know has pulled 6 nails out of his 125's front tyre with this stuff and has had no problems, it does leave a tell-tale mark to let you know there has been a puncture.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

ClockworkJesus wrote:
I watched a car tyre blow out once. She had a puncture, and the car was handling fine until the supporting wall gave out. The tyre practically exploded and separated the tread from the rest of the tyre.

If you have a puncture in a supporting wall of the tyre, half the weight of the bike is pressed against it. A small hole can quickly turn into a rip and worse with a few bumps. Tyre weld or a similar product only makes the puncture airtight. It doesn't return the tyre to a previous safe condition. Smile

A friend of mine filled his punctured tyre up with a similar style gunk. When he took it to a friend's garage to get the tyre repaired, said mechanic practically slipped him around the ear; said the liquid stuff can cause the steel on the rims to corrode, and makes the tyre unrepairable after use.


Hi ClockworkJesus I don't think we've met yet.

If you had a puncture in the sidewall puncture safe or any of the other brands wouldn't seal it as they only seal the tread area due to being forced as far from the centre as possible so that makes your first and second paragraphs redundant.

As to the third paragraph yes these products tend to be water based so could cause corrosion but as to making the tyre unrepairable that is complete and utter bollocks.

Thank you for your input. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used Holts Tyre Weld admitidly it held air fine but when i went to get the puncture plugged the fitter told me due the the liquid he described looking like semen he told me the plug/patch thing wouldn't stick.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

ClockworkJesus wrote:
A friend of mine filled his punctured tyre up with a similar style gunk. When he took it to a friend's garage to get the tyre repaired, said mechanic practically slipped him around the ear; said the liquid stuff can cause the steel on the rims to corrode, and makes the tyre unrepairable after use.


When did you last see a tubeless tyre on a steel bike rim?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

Hi ClockworkJesus I don't think we've met yet.

I don't believe I've had the pleasure either. Razz

sickpup wrote:

Thank you for your input. Thumbs Up

S'cool.
Wink Guess I'm just distrustful of anything claiming to be the next metaphorical cure for ageing.

it probably works, but in my books a pneumatic tyre will always be a pneumatic tyre, and not hydraulic. Thumbs Up
Would rather have the tyre patched, I think. Just personal preference.

Pete. wrote:
When did you last see a tubeless tyre on a steel bike rim?

I'm not sure. I don't check every bike I see for tubes, or a lack of them. Razz
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 24 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

ClockworkJesus wrote:

Pete. wrote:
When did you last see a tubeless tyre on a steel bike rim?

I'm not sure. I don't check every bike I see for tubes, or a lack of them. Razz


Well then perhaps you should be a little more informed before offering your observations.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

I was going to mention that, but realised the answer was 'last time I looked art my 690 wheels'... But the tubeless system on it actually recommends using a sealant.
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:

Well then perhaps you should be a little more informed before offering your observations.

Can only do my best. Thumbs Up
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But yeah. Can only put forward what I'm told. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

ClockworkJesus wrote:
But yeah. Can only put forward what I'm told. Thumbs Down


Better to just put forward what you've experienced.

Hence I hardly say shit. Wink
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Puncture safe Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
Better to just put forward what you've experienced.

Hence I hardly say shit. Wink


Precisely. I have enough experience to know what these were like 5+ years ago but no recent experience which was why I asked if anyone was using them now.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason these aren't popular on bicycles is because the goo has a tendancy to settle in one part of the wheel, then as it rotates, it gums together with the rest of the goo forming a larger glob.

In pedal cycling this has a severe affect on your wheel balance and can cause some really hefty vibrations through the bike.

I'd have thought the same is true for motorcycles and cars.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used one version on my 1500 wing cause fixing the rear tyre was a nightmare. I either never had a punture or it worked fine. Also it wasn't a problem when tyre change time came round. I couldn't say which brand of the stuff it was though, the bloke who did it was at goldwing meets and I just went to him.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

used slime on my old honda......never had a puncture either or it worked real well Very Happy

i would also be interested to see if anyone has used puncture safe, sickpup.

out of interest when you used similar products 5 years ago how did you rate them..?
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 25 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

porter wrote:
used slime on my old honda......never had a puncture either or it worked real well Very Happy

i would also be interested to see if anyone has used puncture safe, sickpup.

out of interest when you used similar products 5 years ago how did you rate them..?


I didn't use them just had to clean up the mess. They often semi solidified or the solution separated in the tyre causing it to go out of balance massively and caused a mess on my tyre machine when people didn't warn you about it. I have seen corrosion on rims but this was generally in bikes that had been left standing and I've seen the same corrosion on bikes without as well.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 26 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

I didn't use them just had to clean up the mess. They often semi solidified or the solution separated in the tyre causing it to go out of balance massively and caused a mess on my tyre machine when people didn't warn you about it.



Did use it as i said and never noticed any real problems balance wise.

Is it really that much of a hard job to clean up?
unexpected true, that would be annoying... but if told, what can you do to make it easy to deal with.

have to say that NOT getting a puncture miles from home was upper most in my mind (never had one or had to use the kits for sale to fix one ).

The guy at the tyre fitters was way down my list of priorities... Confused


Curious about the 'Puncture Safe' would be happy to use it if reviews came back any good Cool
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 26 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

porter wrote:
Is it really that much of a hard job to clean up?


Out of the tyre no, just jet wash it. Out of a tyre machine when you have a lot of tyres to fit yes.

porter wrote:
unexpected true, that would be annoying... but if told, what can you do to make it easy to deal with.


Nothing really.

porter wrote:
have to say that NOT getting a puncture miles from home was upper most in my mind (never had one or had to use the kits for sale to fix one ).


My thought as well.
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