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TheSmiler
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Query Regarding Gears Reply with quote

Now I'm querying over something here to what I've been taught and what I've been told.

Basically when you are approaching a junction say it has a red light in second, which are you meant to do (I was always taught method 1 by the way and that is the method I normally use) Question

Method 1: Slow down and drop into first whilst stopping and then go again when it is green.

Or

Method2: Slow down and stop stay in second and then go again when it is green.

Only asking as I was speaking to a person at uni today and he said he always stays at second and never drops to first.. he only uses first when he has started his engine after neutral obviously.
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Also if he stalls he would start his bike on first (cbr) and never touch neutral... now he may be talking through his Ass (which is what I'm assuming) but just wanted ask on here for confirmation.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always stop in first. There's no reason to sit in second. One time you'll forget to knock it down and have trouble pulling off.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

First gear is for pulling away. The guy at uni is on drugs.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hes a douchebag. Ignore him.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Query Regarding Gears Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:


Method 1: Slow down and drop into first whilst stopping and then go again when it is green.

Or

Method2: Slow down and stop stay in second and then go again when it is green


Usually (now this could be me being a noob) I drop Down to first as i'm nearing a line of traffic, but usually hold in the clutch until i stop - as long as i have enough momentum to get me a nice distance behind the car in front... that way i'm all ready to go when the lights go green/the guy in front wakes the fuck up and goes.

Although if i think the lights have been red and are gonna change soon, i just stop revving and stay in second/third at the right time and let the moment carry me forward - hoping that the lights will turn green and i wont even have to stop.

Saying all of that, I have forgot to drop down to first and pulled away in second many times Laughing Hell, you could probably pull away in 4th with enough revs!

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Also if he stalls he would start his bike on first (cbr) and never touch neutral... now he may be talking through his Ass (which is what I'm assuming) but just wanted ask on here for confirmation.


You dont need to be in neutral to start a bike Rolling Eyes Just hold in the clutch - doesn't matter what gear your in. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never use neutral Laughing Pointless gear on my bike Wink

Erm, I've accidentally pulled away in 2nd and 3rd on the CBR... gearbox is a bit funky... so it knocks down 5 gears but doesnt infact change the gear.. just makes the clonking noise. Think i'll have to have a look at it soon Neutral

Pull away in 1st anyway...
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no right or wrong way to ride, and your retarded uni friend's idiotic method is just as valid as the sane technique that anyone with an ounce of common sense would use.

Consider the merits of taking advice from someone who still stalls their bike often enough to have a plan for dealing with it.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Consider the merits of taking advice from someone who still stalls their bike often enough to have a plan for dealing with it.


Hold the clutch and spam the electric start before the car before you rams you up the ass? Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 28 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone, I was always taught if you stall the only way to start the bike would be to get into neutral or find it. At least knowing that point at least will save me when I stall in the future. Also nice to finally get some confirmation on the right method.

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Consider the merits of taking advice from someone who still stalls their bike often enough to have a plan for dealing with it.


Roger remember the famous saying "By failing to prepare prepare yourself to fail". Only the wise man prepares for an accident just encase the moment arises (hence why we wear protective gear).
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PostPosted: 06:32 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I stall I have to find Neutral or I can't start.

Even with the clutch in. My bike just will not start if it's in gear.

I find that very weird tbh
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
First gear is for pulling away. The guy at uni is on drugs.


This.

And

pl3ppp wrote:



You dont need to be in neutral to start a bike Rolling Eyes Just hold in the clutch - doesn't matter what gear your in. Wink


I do. My bike wont start in any gear with or without the clutch. Wink
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
pl3ppp wrote:



You dont need to be in neutral to start a bike Rolling Eyes Just hold in the clutch - doesn't matter what gear your in. Wink


I do. My bike wont start in any gear with or without the clutch. Wink


Is that a feature or a fault?
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I stall my bike and it fails to start first time, I will have to wait a little while before I try again. Could be a battery issue, but it just doesn't like the ignition being pressed. If I press it six or seven times it'll probably work, but it's really awkward. If he's having trouble starting without neutral, could it be a clutch issue? I know mine was a little iffy. As regards to neutral, I jump into neutral whenever my bikes dies, just so I can roll it out of the way.
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to throw a spanner in the works, I am very disapointed in all you who stated they stopped in first. Why not just do it properly, stop in second then change to first ready to make off, whilst being in the correct gear should the lights change as you approach Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you stall your clutch may have a switch in it... which is why holding the clutch and thumbing the starter should work.

I know my CBR one was disconnected as it has an MX clutch lever which has no switch, I just joined the wires Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
Roger remember the famous saying "By failing to prepare prepare yourself to fail".


I prefer "By doubting your strengths, you only give strength to your doubts."

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OK, seriously, only you can decide the right thing for yourself, based on your preference, experience, and bike characteristics.
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete, As far as I am aware its a feature. Its never bothered me. Takes less than a second to flick the bike into neutral and start it if I stall.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Pete, As far as I am aware its a feature. Its never bothered me. Takes less than a second to flick the bike into neutral and start it if I stall.


I would call it a fault, Honda wouldn't design that one bike differently surely?
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwaks wrote:
Just to throw a spanner in the works, I am very disapointed in all you who stated they stopped in first. Why not just do it properly, stop in second then change to first ready to make off, whilst being in the correct gear should the lights change as you approach Rolling Eyes


Because then you'v gotta keep the bike up with your right leg, while you change gear then swap legs. Not only do you look funny, but pretty sure i was taught to keep my right leg on the bike - just in case a car decides to go up the right hand side a little too close Question
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pl3ppp wrote:
Because then you'v gotta keep the bike up with your right leg, while you change gear then swap legs. Not only do you look funny, but pretty sure i was taught to keep my right leg on the bike - just in case a car decides to go up the right hand side a little too close Question


When stopped yes.. but its a weird shuffle thing. You swap feet for like 1 second Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pl3ppp wrote:
Kwaks wrote:
Just to throw a spanner in the works, I am very disapointed in all you who stated they stopped in first. Why not just do it properly, stop in second then change to first ready to make off, whilst being in the correct gear should the lights change as you approach Rolling Eyes


Because then you'v gotta keep the bike up with your right leg, while you change gear then swap legs. Not only do you look funny, but pretty sure i was taught to keep my right leg on the bike - just in case a car decides to go up the right hand side a little too close Question


yet you are doing it properly, like every other vehicle on the road, only engaging first when stationary. Also helps with those bikes which resist going into first when moving.Also allows you to sit in neutral waiting on the traffic, preferable to holding the clutch in.

the actual correct procedure is to stop in second,change to neutral,swap holding leg to cover rear brake,wait for change,swap leg and engage first and move off.


btw, if A car moves up your right close enough to hit you leg you might want to start a thread about road position, that advice would only apply to a cyclist riding in the gutter, not a bike who dominates his road position OR a bike that has filtered alongside a stationary vehicle
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 29 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been taught/told to pull away from stationary in first. There's been the odd occasion where I've not dropped it out of second and it's taken an arse ton (tonne?) of revs to get the YBR away. That and it sounds like it's about to backfire with its 'putt putt putt' as it goes xD

Regarding the slow down, 9 times out of 10 I usually stop in second, flicking it down to first before I put my left foot down. I think. It's something like that. Come to think of it, even I'm not sure what I do... but it's something like that! Very Happy

I don't think I'd ever pull away in second intentionally unless it was a slow down toward lights that I was praying were about to change and just tootling on when they do Very Happy
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