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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Heated grips wiring... Reply with quote

Hi,

Are there any heated grips out there that turn off when the bike is off but are connected to the battery? So they have like a sensor which knows when the battery is being used by the bike and turn off when the bike is off...

I want heated grips but i dont want to slice the original wiring open and solder to them, i'd rather leave the wiring stock, but at the same time i dont want to leave them on by accident and kill the battery, hence the reason for the first question.

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PostPosted: 10:49 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed mine, Roxter grips.

No, you do have to switch them off yourself... but you could just wire them in to the rear light circuit. Takes about 5 mins more.

OR you mount the switch with the LED right in front of your face or near your key. that way you'll hopefully see it and remember.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think the current Oxford ones do detect falling battery voltage and switch off (possibly some of the HG ones).

However I normally wire them up through a relay to the battery, and trigger the relay with a wire taken from the feed for the rear brake light switch (fairly unobtrusive and also often a cheap and easily replaced bit of wiring rather than an integral part of the wiring loom)

All the best

Keith
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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do i find the live and what colour should the wire be for the rear brake?
And to tap into it, is it just a case of cutting the insulation off using a razor blade, wrapping the grip wire around then soldering? I assume the stock wiring for the grips wont be long enough either.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Re: Heated grips wiring... Reply with quote

You could use the much-hated scotch-block?

Given the choice, in the past I've wired in a relay which can then be used to power all accessories (nicely my KTM 690 enduro actually has one for both keys on engine off and engine running as standard.)
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Where do i find the live and what colour should the wire be for the rear brake?


Probably best to have a poke with a multimeter to check which is live with the ignition on.

EazyDuz wrote:
And to tap into it, is it just a case of cutting the insulation off using a razor blade, wrapping the grip wire around then soldering? I assume the stock wiring for the grips wont be long enough either.


Soldering would probably be the best solution. The wires for the grips will be long enough to reach the relay and battery. You just need an extra wire up from the rear brake light switch.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My horn doesnt work without the ignition on, could i just use that? Its in an ideal location as well...
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

You could, depending on how the horn is wired. If it has a permanent feed when the ignition is on and just earths to sound the horn then you can use that. However that is probably not that likely so you would need to cut into the main wiring to the switchgear.

I am a bit dubious about chopping the main loom unless really necessary. Too likely to cause difficult to find hassle in the future.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:26 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

you got heated on the Gsxr Paddy ?

Didnt notice !!!

I was thinking of either those for commuting or the muffs (cannot remember the scooter variety i was looking at)
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Installed saturday.

Make the grips a bit too thick, bugger to grip Thumbs Down
Mixing these with some Tucano Urbano muffs Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats the muffs I was looking at. £40.00 apparently from a place near my work. Wondered if they would also press on brake/clutch and should I fit hand guards inside them.

If I was going for one or the other, would you recommend grips (heated) or muffs ?

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PostPosted: 11:51 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrjoolz wrote:
thats the muffs I was looking at. £40.00 apparently from a place near my work. Wondered if they would also press on brake/clutch and should I fit hand guards inside them.

If I was going for one or the other, would you recommend grips (heated) or muffs ?



Both, genuinely.. its like £70 for both and I reckon its going to save my hands this winter. Thumbs Up

I had oxford bone dry things, terrible, pushed on the brake at 90mph, bricked it big time Laughing If I can be bothered i'll make some things to force them backwards, but i've got shorty levers and can adjust all the way in...so i'll try that.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have no idea how to access the rear light to be honest, its built into the mudguard and i dont know how to remove it.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

You don't need to go near the rear light (after all, if you used the brake light there you would only get the grips to work when the brakes were on). It is the rear brake light switch which will be down by the r/h side footrest.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Installed saturday.

Make the grips a bit too thick, bugger to grip Thumbs Down
Mixing these with some Tucano Urbano muffs Thumbs Up


Surley wind deflecters are essential too?

I have heated grips but no idea what make.. They are good, but can't imagine that you can feel the heat through winter gloves? Not that I've tried yet...

Bars bit thicker but didn't really notice until G pointed it out.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 18 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissEd wrote:
Surley wind deflecters are essential too?


Question Do enlighten me? What are they...apart from wind deflectors Laughing Are they necessary? I don't do a massive commute and if I can sort something within a week... I may have 0 commute anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just used a multimeter on the live wire on the horn and its 12v with the ignition on, so i take it i can wire the grips to that?
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had two sets of Oxford grips (one was rebranded as something else, but was still Oxford) that had the voltage sensing circuit.

Saved me a flat battery a few times, it would automagically switch off the grips when voltage dropped below 11.5v. It still flattened the battery enough that I had to bump start the bike, but at least I wasn't stranded.

Installation was a lot easier, because you just hook them up direct to the battery. But tbh, I'd stick with traditional ones and a relay from the front brake light switch, then drawing power direct from the battery. That's the proper way to do it.

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PostPosted: 12:35 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The symtec ones instruct you to wire it straight into something like the sidelights - hasn't caused any problems when I have, but given the choice will relay it up.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i fugre the horn is an ideal location and also wont even require soldering, can just shove it in with the existing spade connectors, my only worry is it might make the horn sound a bit like a squirrel trying to push one out. Though its pretty naff as it is anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Follow this

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=53243

I wrote it years ago, but contains everything you need to do.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
Follow this

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=53243

I wrote it years ago, but contains everything you need to do.


Waste of time and money just for some heated grips. Useful if i intend to buy every electrical gadget under the sun but for a set of heated grips its a bit OTT imo.
Thanks though, will just wire to the horn.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissEd wrote:
Bars bit thicker but didn't really notice until G pointed it out.


I didnt notice myself til I put the renthals back on in spring and opened the throttle to what I was used to... then the wheel came up. Oops.

Deffo recommend having them setup to a non-perm live. Some funny gets love to turn them on when youre not around and let you have to bump start Thumbs Down

I had the oxford sports and they were a great job
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks though, will just wire to the horn.


Does the horn have a permanent live? Perhaps im wrong, but I thought the horn only received its live once the horn was pushed.

Good luck though, personally i'd use a Relay, but I have taken a feed from the lights before.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 19 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Just used a multimeter on the live wire on the horn and its 12v with the ignition on, so i take it i can wire the grips to that?


If it is then yes you can. I would still use a relay though, and just use the horn wire to trigger the relay rather than as a main power feed.

All the best

Keith
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