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GF-91
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Getting full license, with MORE on page 1. SV650. Reply with quote

Hi guys!

Passed my cbt back in april, and I am constantly thinking about doing my full test ( being limited to 33bhp in the first year, of course [im 20]).

Been looking on sites in regards to passing my bike test and not really understanding what the fudge they are talking about; so came here in the hopes that one (or a few) of you nice chaps (or ladies) would set me straight.

What does "residential" or "non residential" mean?
Where's my nearest theory test centre?
How much is it going to cost me exactly {or roughly}?
Does the test include bike rental, or is that an optional extra?

Also, are there any bike training centres near Burnley, or in lancashire that are reputable as I would rather give them my money than someone else.


Oh, before I go;
I'm 20.
I have a full UK driving license.
I live in Burnley.
And just to remind you, I have my cbt Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Getting full license Reply with quote

GF-91 wrote:
Passed my cbt back in april, and I am constantly thinking about doing my full test ( being limited to 33bhp in the first year, of course [im 20]).


If you sit your test before you're 21 - even 1 day before - then you can only do it on an A2 bike (125cc 100kph+). That will get you an A license with a 2 year 25kW restriction. The restriction last 2 calendar years - turning 21 doesn't remove it.

What you can do is sit an "accelerated access" test when you hit 21. This is effectively the same as doing a DAS test, with all the consequent costs.

I'll leave the rest to Mike...
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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being limited to 33bhp in the first year


Bear in mind that you'll need another test to remove the restriction after a year, otherwise it's the whole two years of restriction, regardless of age.

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What does "residential" or "non residential" mean?


I would assume you are looking at intensive courses. A residential course will include a room so that you can stay near the course location for the duration.

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Where's my nearest theory test centre?


https://www.dft.gov.uk/fyn/?theory

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How much is it going to cost me exactly {or roughly}?


Test fees are here.
Training fees are entirely dependent on the school you choose, call some local ones and hit google.

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Does the test include bike rental, or is that an optional extra?


The DSA will not provide a bike at all, you will need to do it on your own bike or one provided by a training school.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

What if I wait until im 21 then?
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

get a cheap 125 till you turn 21.use that to practice on Thumbs Up

You could also get your theory out the way as well
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveus wrote:
get a cheap 125 till you turn 21.use that to practice on Thumbs Up

You could also get your theory out the way as well


I have a 125, wasn't cheap though.

How long does he theory last for?
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A theory pass lasts for 2 years, as does a CBT. They both have to still be valid when you sit Module 1 and Module 2.

You'll have to make a judgement call about whether you:

Arrow Wait until you're 21 and do DAS to get a full A license.
Arrow Sit A2 now, get a 25kW license and wait out the 2 years.
Arrow Sit A2, get a 25kW license now and then upgrade to unrestricted A when you hit 21
Arrow Sit A2, get a 25kW license and then get a full power bike anyway.

The chances of you getting caught and prosecuted for riding an unrestricted bike seems to be minimal. Many insurers (e.g. Swinton) don't ask up front whether either your license or bike are 25kW.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

The chances of you getting caught and prosecuted for riding an unrestricted bike seems to be minimal. Many insurers (e.g. Swinton) don't ask up front whether either your license or bike are 25kW.


But they'd certainly ask if you ever had an accident, it's the same as riding without insurance.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is "they"? John Law? Insurers? And which insurers ask for evidence of license and restriction after a claim? Are you talking from experience, or speculating?
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I'll just wait until I'm 21 Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Who is "they"? John Law? Insurers? And which insurers ask for evidence of license and restriction after a claim? Are you talking from experience, or speculating?


I don't really think thats the point, they could ask for it and if they did you'd be screwed. Whilst I agree the law in this area is very vague riding a non restricted bike on a restricted license is illegal.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 11 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

upanddown22 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Who is "they"? John Law? Insurers? And which insurers ask for evidence of license and restriction after a claim? Are you talking from experience, or speculating?


I don't really think thats the point, they could ask for it and if they did you'd be screwed. Whilst I agree the law in this area is very vague riding a non restricted bike on a restricted license is illegal.


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PostPosted: 16:37 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys!

Sorry for the bump!!

Didn't want to make a new thread though.

SV650's. I want one. Jumping from a 124cc derbi crosscity to this..is it wise?

Bear in mind the insurance is the same price :WTF:

Laughing

Won't be till next april for my NCB to come through and such; so I'll be doing the unrestricted test.

All decent replies welcome.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be fine, its not a powerful bike, it will be a rocket ship compared, but after a week it'll feel just at sedate as a 125 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
It will be fine, its not a powerful bike, it will be a rocket ship compared, but after a week it'll feel just at sedate as a 125 Thumbs Up


Do you know how they are on fuel?

Tax?
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tax I think is £74 a year... maybe around that.

Fuel, I owned one for 2 weeks, if you give it the beans you get about 35mpg, riding normally around 40mpg i'd say. Friend has a 33hp restricted one that averages 35mpg... not far off my GSXR750.

I'm not sure how good/bad a 33hp SV would be, I had a full power one and found it boring after a while, but I have ridden much bigger bikes before so it could just be that.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

I'm not sure how good/bad a 33hp SV would be, I had a full power one and found it boring after a while, but I have ridden much bigger bikes before so it could just be that.


I tried out a restricted one before buying my non-restricted one. It's not too bad, in spite of the restriction. Just remember; a V-Twin is not about top speed, it's about how you get there. Twatting about with torque is way more fun than doing the same with speed.

At least, that's how I console myself. Of course, I'm an A13 commuter, so top speed isn't likely; filtering between cars like a lobotomised chimp on amphetamines is; ergo, torquey engines are better for me.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd definitely recommend pootling about on a 125 until you can do the DAS. I'm 29 and I've been on a 125 for over a year. Now doing my DAS I've got more experience of road riding, having used the 125 to commute to work daily. You get a sense of just how low profile you can be! Only thing is when it comes to DAS time, and you get on a 500+ for the first time, take it easy! The clutch is heavier, the throttle a LOT more responsive, and the brakes are better.

First time I got on a Kwak er5 I was told to just sit there putting my feet up alternately for a few minutes, then play around with the clutch biting point for a few more. Almost as if I hadn't been on a bike before!

Now it feels all natural cruising around on the er5, even though I find it squishes my groinal region against the tank a bit. Not as comfortable as the cb500 I've got which I can't wait to ride!

Just be safe on the roads, and be paranoid. They're all out to get you unless proven otherwise. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 24 Oct 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:

I'm not sure how good/bad a 33hp SV would be, I had a full power one and found it boring after a while, but I have ridden much bigger bikes before so it could just be that.


I tried out a restricted one before buying my non-restricted one. It's not too bad, in spite of the restriction.


Never really ridden a 33hp restricted SV, having only ridden a 50/60hp SV I cant imagine how it would handle, especially as it takes top end to around 100. Suppose it has usable torque across the rev range anyway...
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