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| steveclarke12 wrote: |
What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet? |
Students keep asking me how mine can be improved.
| Quote: | Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur? How often does it occur? How detrimental to your experience is it? Have you tried to fix it? If so how?
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Residing on a popular motorcycle forum, we often have students coming in trying to get us to effectively do their work for them.
It occurs approximately once a week, but with higher incidence soon after the start of a new educational year.
I haven't tried to 'fix it' yet.
| Quote: | Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
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I can't see this working, so I doubt it influence me.
| Quote: | Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
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I wouldn't understand the point of this feature.
| Quote: | Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
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I'm not American, so probably not. I wouldn't care about the graphics unless it came out at a very good price and I was racing at the time.
| Quote: | Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
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For off road, yes, but I'd be sceptical as there's a lot of big companies trying to do this and I haven't seen anything anything revolutionary yet.
"Happy to help", as they say .
Oh and note I've deleted the thread you made in biking news which I first replied to.
Please make only one post with the same text. This isn't news .
Bah, Rogerborg got a post in just before I went to delete it, this is what he had to say:
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I wrote half a big reply, then thought "sod it, it's another 'help me with my homework' question".
You aren't actually designing helmets for the market, so it's not worth my time answering unless you make it interesting.
So, hi, what bike do you ride, and what brand of helmet do you prefer? |
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Heh, then I incorporate my answer here.
I doubt that you meant "any" response, although I am obliquely trying to explain to you why we might not fall over ourselves to do your homework for you. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Custom made liner would be great.
Would make choosing a lid so much easier....
Simply choose your prefered design and then they make a liner to suit.....
Takes away the whole pain of trying every helmet in the shop till you fine one you like and fits
Then again this has been suggested for years...... Seems the only people to get these are very well paid racers and not joe blogs.....  ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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The only real problem I have with my helmet is the fogging up. It's not nice.
Other than that.. that's a few things I'd consider doing to one technology wise (like building in some earphones for my Phone's GPS, and a Microphone perhaps for if I ever decided to purchase a radio).
I'd be tempted to add custom graphics to a helmet - but probably wouldn't due to cost. We're not all made of money, and that would be expensive (unless it was free, but then I'd probably spend too much time designing and not enough time riding!).
But personally, there's nothing really which would influence my decision in buying a helmet in terms of your post. I'd like a helmet that could stay fog-free and clear from the rain, but any helmet which claimed to do these things I probably wouldn't believe. You get way too many false advertising claims, or under-performing products for the price paid  ____________________ 2004 R1 & 2018 XSR900 |
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My visor rarely fogs; thanks to the vents blowing air at the inside of the visor, and that I quite enjoy an open visor. If my visor begins to fog up tremendously, I just apply an anti-fogging solution to the visor. Works for me. More and more helmets are being sold now with anti-fog linings. No idea how good they are though.
Never over-heated. :S Just open the visor.
My helmet is noisy.. But my bike is noisier, and my bike isn't that loud. The less wind noise the better though, I suppose.
Never had adjustment issues, or comfort issues. I would figure these two are one and the same.
A hands-free activated visor would make me steer clear of the helmet. So yes, it would influence my decision; negatively. Don't fix what ain't broken. Manual opening/shutting works perfectly for me.
Sound dampening would be nice, as long as it didn't dampen the noise of the traffic, too; or more importantly, the sound of my bike. Less wind noise has to mean more environmental noise.
As long as the custom fitted liner didn't cost twice that of my lid, that'd be brilliant.
I guess custom graphics would be kinda neat; but I'd probably spend too much time trying to customize it and end up with something too tacky and be unhappy with my product. XD But I guess it'd be a cool optional feature.
Depends how the ventilation system worked. Passive or motorised? Light or heavy? Simple or complicated? Right now we have (pretty much) holes in the helmet that can be covered over by grills or flaps. Simple yet effective. Anything that's going to add weight or be easy to break; no thanks.
Only other thing I can think of is like; bluetooth-able built in speakers, or some kind of rubber blade above the visor, so when you open the visor it cleans it of water droplettes. Best I can do. |
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When I google 'BCF', it comes up as "Motorbike related message board with sections for UK national and regional events."
Somehow, this appears to translate as "Open season for lazy students who want their homework doing for them."
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| steveclarke12 wrote: | Thankyou for your responses, i am currently trying to research and investigate into what problems you guys run into relating to motorcycle helmets to gain a better understanding of what it is that could potentially be improved.
I don't mean to offend, I am simply looking for any issues or problems that are encountered.
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Lets be honest here, NO YOU ARE NOT, you are trying, with least effort on your part to 'satisfy' your I presume Design tutor, and be able to show them something on paper that looks like YOU have done some research.
This is NOT research, and you are jumping in at the middle, without a thought.
First rule of Design, before asking 'Why not', as 'Why So'.
Second rule of Design, Necessity is the Mother of Invention.
You (think you) have a solution, you want a problem to apply it to. This is 'push' technology, the preserve of marketing men, not engineers.
Engineers solve problems; Marketing men, sell gadgets.
NOW: go back to your lecture notes, or those of some-one who actually paid attension.....
Start at the beginning. DO your research. START by looking at what helmet manufacturers are actually offering, and the sales features thay already offer.
THIS answers your questions.
Shark, Shoei, Aria, AGV, Bell, etc have all done this reasarch FAR more thoroughly than you can even dream of... they have multi-million dollar business's depending on it.... not a few brownie points towards a course grade!
They do not push 'features' unless people have suggested they are 'useful'.
So what are the existing manufacturers offering?
And more importantly how much are they charging?
Third Rule of Design; There are few Problems that cant be solved with a big enough budget.....
The 'Bottom Line'... doesn't matter how good you make it; its whether you can convince any-one to pay more than it costs to make it.
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Ruddy heck, I actually just read all of a post by the Tefster.
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| steveclarke12 wrote: |
Any response to the questions below would be greatly appreciated.
Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Been done; I believe a helmet with a remote electric visor was marketed by Yes (not the prog rock group associated with excessively long solos) and it failed miserably, largely because it took an excessively long time to do something a rider normally does in a nanosecond, so perhaps there was a prog rock connection, afterall.
Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
I think it's fair to say great strides have already been made in sound deadening and, if your helmet is no good, ear plugs cost pennies.
Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Been done; I had a helmet custom fitted in 1981, but it went wrong when I changed my hairstyle and it proved such an unpopular option with the maker, they stopped making bike helmets altogether.
Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Might appeal to a few, but it would have an inevitable cost impact and it would take time; most people want to go into a shop, buy a helmet and wear it home, not wait a fortnight.
Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
I've never bought a helmet based on it's ventilation system, in fact I would go so far as to say it's never even been a consideration, despite the fact that virtually every maker claims to have the latest and most efficient system, which they seemingly improve every five minutes.
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I'd say you're heading in the wrong direction, a few tweaks won't take the planet by storm, you need to come up with something genuinely revolutionary. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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My suggestion is something I'd quite like myself.
I'd like a camera built into my helmet. I want it to be discreet (so mr piggy doesn't seize it as evidence if I get pulled over) and film on a loop. I.e. I press record and it records continually and overwrites the oldest footage when the memory is full. If I press a button then it will write protect a certain period, i.e. the last 10 minutes. Good in case of accidents, pretty areas, fun parts of my ride etc.
I want it all contained in the helmet though, the card and battery perhaps could be removed but I don't want cables attached to my head and I don't want a fat "here is evidence of my wrongdoings, seize me" marker stuck to the side of my head.
As for the automatic visor opener/closer, I was actually and quite coincidentally considering that about 5 hours ago, decided it would be a waste of time, but it would be cool. Custom fitted helmet liners would be pricey but if it ended up affordable, not inflatable and actually worked it would be a good idea.
EDIT: Just read the post above mine, that summarises my thoughts quite well. |
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What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
fogging
noise
comfort issues
Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur?
Because the manufacturers seem to think that all heads are inbetween the set sizes. My head is a 54. So a 53/54 is too tight, and a 54/55 is too loose. If they made Suomy in a straight 54 then that would be ideal for my head shape.
Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
No
Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
If it didn't influence the price I would. If it did, I'd stick to wearing earplugs.
Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
To do what exactly??
Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
No, I like my lid to be plain black, no graphics thanks
Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
No, I've rarely suffered from heat, perhaps if I travelled or lived overseas, my answer would be different. ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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| DonnyBrago wrote: | My suggestion is something I'd quite like myself.
I'd like a camera built into my helmet. I want it to be discreet (so mr piggy doesn't seize it as evidence if I get pulled over) and film on a loop. I.e. I press record and it records continually and overwrites the oldest footage when the memory is full. If I press a button then it will write protect a certain period, i.e. the last 10 minutes. Good in case of accidents, pretty areas, fun parts of my ride etc.
I want it all contained in the helmet though, the card and battery perhaps could be removed but I don't want cables attached to my head and I don't want a fat "here is evidence of my wrongdoings, seize me" marker stuck to the side of my head.
As for the automatic visor opener/closer, I was actually and quite coincidentally considering that about 5 hours ago, decided it would be a waste of time, but it would be cool. Custom fitted helmet liners would be pricey but if it ended up affordable, not inflatable and actually worked it would be a good idea.
EDIT: Just read the post above mine, that summarises my thoughts quite well. |
^^ this, exactly this!
A camera with the lens just to the left of my left eye, behind the visor where it cannot be seen, and sees almost exactly what I see. The SD slot and buttons should be at the lower left edge of the lining so I can use them while riding with my left hand (don't want to have to take right hand off throttle).
The camera should be capable of 720p60, or 1080p30.
I would pay a premium for this. If you make one, please let me know, because I want to give you hundreds of pounds. |
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What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
My hat no longer fits.
Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature
Not whilst I have the use of my hands.
Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature
I have earplugs for that.
Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature
All my helmets are custom fitted once they bed in.
Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you
I decorate my helmets with the bodies of flies.
Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature
How much more effective can you get than an open face helmet?
... and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
only by putting the helmet on the "features I don't need that make it more expensive" list and thus removing them from selection. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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| steveclarke12 wrote: | I am a Loughborough University Student currently working on a Final year design project which focus is on motorcycle helmets. I am currently researching and investigating into problems and issues encountered by the motorbike population in an attempt to find a design solution! (specifically motorbike helmets)
Any response to the questions below would be greatly appreciated.
What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
fogging/overheating/high noise levels/adjustment issues/comfort issues/other
If other please state…
Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur? How often does it occur? How detrimental to your experience is it? Have you tried to fix it? If so how?
Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
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Thanks again for the positive responses. All are helping narrow down issues and problems that you guys have, so that i can then attempt to design for them.
As someone who does not ride personally, the reason for user research is to help give direction and rationale to my project. It ensures that i am designing towards a solution that is actually a solution
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 68 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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